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Gauss's Principle of Least Constraint (2017)

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90 points by vectorrain · 12 comments

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This reminds me of the rule in particle physics: Anything not forbidden is mandatory.

i.e. There are no events (interactions) that could happen, but just don't.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Totalitarian_principle

  • seiferteric

    Very cool, I wonder if this applies to interactions that "can't" happen in our current universe? I have read in the early big bang, forces "combined" together, like the electric and nuclear weak force. Could a electron interact with a neutrino for example?

  • selimthegrim

    Landau had a similar formulation but about symmetries - what isn’t forbidden is permitted.

  • windlessstorm

    Once you eliminate the impossible, whatever remains, no matter how improbable, must be the truth. - Arthur Conan Doyle

    • theelous3

      That is such a useless quote.

      I throw a ball to my friend. The ball doesn't turn in to chocolate and fly away etc.

      What happened to the ball? Caught or not?

      To take the quote literally, neither. The rarest bird on earth capable of catching the ball swoops down and lifts it away while I win the lottery and so on.

  • aaachilless

    Disclaimer: I am absolutely not a physicist, and so the following might be quite incorrect.

    It seems that your interpretation of the rule is actually an assertion of the many world's interpretation of quantum mechanics. If you don't mention that caveat then you're actually asserting determinism in this particular universe.

    • raattgift

      No, GP means (in the second line) that because nature (and particle colliders) perform so many "experiments", even very rare outcomes will be spotted eventually.

      It's a statistical statement about many particles (or field-values in a sufficiently large spacetime(-region)-filling set of quantum fields), not an interpretational statement about a single particle.

      • aaachilless

        Then I don't understand this, from the article that was cited:

        In the many-worlds interpretation of quantum mechanics, the principle has a more literal meaning: that every possibility at every interaction which is not forbidden by such a conservation law will actually happen (in some branch of the wavefunction).

        • raattgift

          The key there is "at every interaction".

          Consider lots and lots of interactions.

          In what I was explaining, you have highly probable outcomes being observed a lot, and very low probability outcomes being observed rarely.

          In what you are reading on wikipedia, you have at each and every one of those lots and lots of interactions a "splitting" into a different world per possible outcome. That's MWI's core content, and it seems to help some people develop intuitions about outcomes of experiments where small numbers of interactions (perhaps even just one, especially where it involves entanglement) determine much larger systems.

pvitz

By looking at the references, the author may not be aware of the use of Gauss' principle in molecular dynamics, see e.g. Ch. 3.1 in Evans, Morriss: Statistical mechanics of nonequilibrium liquids. (http://citeseerx.ist.psu.edu/viewdoc/download?doi=10.1.1.296...)

ouid

their double pendulum applet has a bug that occasionally causes it to gain energy.

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