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steeleduncan

> The fact that working on Linux code will now require corporate backing to pay for the AI will also aid in taking Linux away from the free software community

This isn't remotely true, it is fictional ragebait

  • lbrito

    "[Linus] ends every session with a lengthy cleanup pass that takes a couple of hours to run, executing tasks like ensuring that the code matches the comments. That amount of work cannot be done with a free LLM account. I asked whether that risked cutting off bright new developers that we would rather hang onto; Torvalds answered that the kernel project only wants serious developers. That includes having access to enough resources to function in this world."

    • pimeys

      Deepseek is what, maybe 10-15 dollars a month for quite a lot of usage if you need an llm and do not want to pay for Anthropic...

  • athorax

    This whole post feels like bait

      Or you could, you know, use any decent IDE, or a deterministic refactoring utility, or even a quick Perl script.
    
    Nothing is stopping YOU from doing that. If you enjoy working that way, have at it.
graemep

> By ensuring nobody can tell which parts of a work are AI-generated, it becomes impossible to claim copyright protection on it in the US

Not true. As long as any of the code is human written the copyright can be enforced. You would have to have a kernel that is entirely AI written.

As far as I can see they are only dropping the need to add a note to commits which is only part of what you need to follow the Copyright Office procedure. What you really want is things like the prompt history. it also seems the information will be recorded in a "cover letter". If these are kept it seems fine.

The fact that the AI companies like to push the "assisted by" tag might be a clue that dropping it is not some corporate plot.

> The fact that working on Linux code will now require corporate backing to pay for the AI will also aid in taking Linux away from the free software community.

1) are corporations not part of the community? 2) can individuals not afford access to LLMs?

> Torvalds said that the time has come to make it harder for new people to contribute code to the kernel.

because they have too many low quality contributions from first time contributors.

Also the LWN article says:

> Pinchart asked Torvalds to confirm that he is not trying to push out developers who do not use LLMs; Torvalds agreed that he is not. Pinchart added that it is important to communicate that message to the community. Torvalds added that he does not want to scare off people who want to write code; his message is that you have to either put in the effort to learn, or put a lot of money into an LLM to participate.

This article is alarmist ragebait.

levkk

You either die a hero or live long enough to become the villain. Fork it, run it, make it better. That's the gift of GPL. Just because you can't spin it up on EC2 (yet) doesn't make it a worse kernel. Lots of hosting providers accept custom images.

  • NexRebular

    > Fork it, run it, make it better.

    Or like the trend is nowadays, ask Claude to wash it into rust which also lets one to relieve it of the burden of GPL. That's the gift of corporate AI.

feverzsj

That's why FreeBSD/OpenBSD/NetBSD are superior.

  • graemep

    As the concern in the article is that it will undermine enforcement of the GPL how are the BSDs superior with regard to that specific issue? How is not having a copyleft license to enforce better (for someone who wants copyleft, of course) than not having a copyleft license?

lbrito

There's this trend in the last couple of years of very successful software engineers heartily endorsing AI usage - I can think of Matz, dhh, Linus, uncle Bob. Probably a lot of other people I don't follow too closely.

I can't pinpoint a common motivation for all of them, other than the obvious (the tools are great and are the future, if you think otherwise you're a loser (paraphrasing dhh) etc).

I think at least at some level, these people are at a point of their careers where they have "been there, done that" (coding) and are happy to go do something else.

All of them have in common not having written code in a long time, instead reviewing patches from others, so the AI thing isn't really too different from what they've been doing for a long time.

Here's Linus' diatribe if you haven't seen it - https://lkml.org/lkml/2026/10/13/3242

tescreal

Once upon a time, Linus had a bit about Good Taste in code[1], but it's hard to see that thinking at play delegating code to a machine.

I'm not really shocked to see this happening, even though I remain disappointed. Not the sheer use factor, tools are tools in my humble opinion, but the disregard for the lowly hackers who established the foundations and culture that led here. That is going to die, as the exclusionary pressures build.

Unfortunate, I guess next maybe I'll wait for the Year of the Plan9 Desktop.

[1] https://felipec.github.io/good-taste/parts/1.html

adg14a

Linus has been a corporate tool ever since he was forced to take a "retreat" for getting "counseling" for better behavior.

Powerful, aging maintainers who welcome the AI crutch and accelerate the demise of open source is something I would not have predicted, but here we are.

In mathematics similar events are taking place and some tenured professors sell out the next generation.

jmclnx

It has been for a maybe 10 years. I take the recent announcements as "proof" the Linux Foundation does not care about hiding that fact. It is too bad, some distros are trying to avoid following corporate mandates, but I think their days are numbered. The Debian/AI vote proves that.

Another indication is the on-going rewrite of GNU UN*X utilities to a different License. Corporations hate the GPL. With clang, rust/uutil and now pgp rewritten in another license, distros are well on their way to being non-GPL. I have popcorn out waiting to see how Companies will move the kernel from the GPL2 to something else.

It was nice while it lasted.

flanked-evergl

> The obvious benefit is that when the kernel gets noticeably worse and terrible defects are found

At some point, you are going to have to accept that AI can out code you. And if you really are in the 99th percentile of coders, AI will be able to out code you in 3 months.

It's easier to live in reality.

  • lbrito

    I've been hearing this bullshit for 3 years. Its always x months away. Are we fucking there yet?

    • smitty1e

      At the other end of the spectrum, I have never written a line of assembly code, much less used a punch card.

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