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Akhetonics Photonic Computing: 1,000x Faster CPUs

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amelius

So they have some kind of nonlinear material that can make light modulate other light, that they managed to get working at teraherz frequencies?

Sounds incredible, as in: can't believe it.

By the way, isn't Nvidia researching this?

  • ziofill

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nonlinear_optics

    Very real stuff (I have a PhD on this)

    • oersted

      This is the second sentence:

      > Nonlinear phenomena become relevant only when the input light is very intense. Typically, in order to observe nonlinear phenomena, an intensity of the electromagnetic field of light larger than 108 V/m (and thus comparable to the atomic electric field of ~1011 V/m) is required.

      I don’t know anything about this field. Can you address this point? How close are we to overcoming this in academia?

      • amelius

        10^8 V/m, yeah that is quite a lot, 100V per micron or 1MV/cm. Even if it works it's going to have reliability issues, especially since the structures are not going to be perfect.

      • DoctorOetker

        ignore the sibling comment by amelius

        for a laser the intensity in the wavelength / frequency domain is very high, because it is coherent radiation

        it just means you can use a (low power) laser to produce nonlinear optical effects.

    • Y_Y

      At milliwatt power, and terahertz frequency?

      • PowerElectronix

        I guess it's a theoretical limit as in the material can change properties that fast given a fast light signal.

    • amelius

      I mean, researchers have been trying for years, what is different now?

  • octoberfranklin

    Yes; this material is called "snake oil".

    • amelius

      Let's see if the investors bite.

      • wartywhoa23

        Theranos demonstrated that they'll bite at anything.

      • octoberfranklin

        I wouldn't infer much from that. Investors are in the business of taking risks and making gambles.

        Also "FooCo raises $X zillion round" doesn't mean they got $X zillion deposited into their bank account. There are always several milestones along the way to unlock each tranche. But the press releases never mention that.

jurschreuder

It's just as if he had the brilliant idea to do photonics as an outcast even though there is already a 6" wafer semi-production level fablab being built for it in The Netherlands. There is even a version of TinyTapeout for Photonics.

akifbayram

The channel's other uploads may be giving us a glimpse into this project's future.

1e1a

Finally! This paves the way towards practical BrainF*** execution.

  • 9dev

    We're all adults here, you can spell out BrainFuck just fine.

irq-1

What level of Universal Paperclips is this?

https://www.decisionproblem.com/paperclips/

himata4113

This comes up every couple of years, but it hasn't seem to have made any advances since the first time I've seen this.

12ah5kl

Interesting topic, unreadable due to sloppification.

  • flecomet

    "The first thing to understand about Akhetonics’ optical computer is that it’s not one thing yet." Great, that is such a good explanation. Thanks ChatGPT I guess.

  • yuhmahp

    Now it's a good case to use your own ai to un-sloppify

dvh

> Photonics

So also 1000x smaller integration

georgeburdell

I didn’t read but I’d also like to point out photonics are 1000x larger than leading edge electronics with minimal path to scaling smaller. I don’t see a free lunch

  • userbinator

    Basically the density of early CPUs (1970s), but 1000x faster than those, or current CPUs? Like a 1GHz 6502, or a 1THz 6502? The former is not really better, but the latter might interesting.

  • gchamonlive

    There ain't no free lunch, but real progress rarely depend on it. It's usually lunch we weren't eating before, or a different way to eat the same lunch but with much more satisfaction.

natas

This has been tried by Cray like 15 years ago and the university of Colorado 11 years ago; there were also other initiatives, all failed.

I'm not excluding that now we have more budget/time/AI to make it work (if it can), I'd just say exercise caution reading this (very AI slop) article (and anything that looks too good to be true)

Y_Y

In honour of Akhenaten? Cool.

  • nekusar

    References of Akhenaten is making rounds in modern pagan/occult circles as well. The "Law of One" group is really pushing ancient Egyptian 'pyramid power' stuff.

mbfg

interesting that it is still 2 bit

  • kmoser

    Do you mean as opposed to operating in an analog fashion? My guess is because keeping it digital means it is as close a possible to a drop-in replacement for today's electronic digital computers, including all the firmware, OS, and software that has already been written for them.

metalman

akhetonics-photonic-computing 1000x-faster-cpus, in mice

spwa4

If you're looking for the limits of this approach: it's about 1000x faster than electric BUT the individual components have to be way larger (and can't be shrinked down)

... which hopefully means a LOT of fabs will be able to produce these (because a 2nm node makes no sense for this)

It also means this will be incredible for radio chips, interconnects, that sort of thing and will do exactly nothing for the first 20 years for cpu's, never mind gpus.

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