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Necker, 1832: "An optical phænomenon on viewing a figure of a geometrical solid"

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34 points by akkartik · 19 comments

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codeulike

Funny thing about vision, inside our heads, in our consciousness, it feels like we are seeing a picture. As in, we have pictures 'inside our heads'. But they can't actually be pictures, they must be data structures.

When our vision centres have analysed the incoming signals from the retina and processed it into information about edges, lines, colours, objects - does that then get reassembled somewhere to make the image we see in our heads? Its a very intuitive idea but that can't be possible. Because if your brain is recreating the 'image' inside your head somewhere, something then needs to look at it (and process it and break it down again to information about edges, lines, colours). But you've already done that! You already have the data, no need to make it back into an image and then re-analyse it again (see Dennett, cartesian theatre, inner observer, homunculus etc).

This is a simple concept but its very hard to get a grip on it, it is so against our intuitive feeling for how these things should work.

I have an analogy with computer games - imagine rendering a frame of a 3D game, Doom or something. The game has information about the 3D structure of the room, where the walls are, where the entities are. Then it goes to the rendering pipeline and that data is used to draw on a 2D screen, creating a 2d image. The light from that image then hits your retina and your vision processing centres break the image down into data again - the 3d structure of the room as far as you can see it, where the entities are, colours. That data is then in your head (obviously not exactly the same data that the game had, but some analogous data structure in whatever weird internal format the brain uses). And thats it! That data is you seeing it! (But no, you think, surely that data is used to recreate the image in my head somewhere....)

Things like the necker cube gives us a peep behind the curtain maybe.

  • srean

    Why does this appear downvoted ?

    • nkurz

      I didn't vote, but my guess would be that it's because "aphantasia" (the inability to visualize images) is a popular topic on this site: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aphantasia. Some people see images in their head, and others (possibly overrepresented here) simply don't. My guess would be that a comment that starts by assuming everyone sees images in their heads was considered misleading and simplistic.

akkartikOP

I had to shorten the title to fit it, but there's so much here and the Necker cube is just a final addendum. This is what publishing was intended to be like!

jonathrg

Why were people so incredibly wordy back then?

andai

I now come to the point which you particularly wished me to describe to you mean the luminous appearance of trees, shrubs and birds when seen from the foot of mountain, little before sun-rise.

I saw something similar at sunset the other day, a luminous dog! A fluffy white dog: the last sunbeams hit him from behind, so that he had an amber corona.

no_use_for_a_na

As a Norwegian; my culture is not your costume. æøå ;)

  • nessex

    (Old) English had æ first!

    • Tor3

      Technically it first appeared as a fusion letter in late Latin writings, but yes it did become its own letter in Old English where it was adopted to represent a specific sound. And, to the Norwegian's comment, it's been used in more modern English as well, until relatively recent times ("recent" in the European sense)

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