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One geometric idea that explains SGD, AdamW, and Muon

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crystalskies

What are your thoughts on some of the disadvantages of using Muon over AdamW?

  • kbwal7OP

    I'm honestly not too aware of the true scene of which optimizers are used nowadays by which labs (though I think Moonshot has shown Muon's ability to scale to large models, and Muon is definitely more used now). That being said, obviously orthogonalization is pretty expensive! I looked it up and it's roughly 5-15% slower per step, but it converges in fewer steps fwiw. I'm guessing it's also less battle-tested than AdamW is, so AdamW still might be the safer option (and you're gonna have to use AdamW for your 1D params anyways).

crystalskies

Quite fascinating!

kushalfan87

Wow awesome!!

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