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Trump again tries to limit US birthright citizenship with new executive orders

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51 points by samaysharma · 23 comments

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scrubs

When in the heck is Congress gonna get some backbone and hold this clown accountable. Tariffs and citizenship has been ruled on the Supreme court.

Whether it's those rulings or not deporting immigrats as ordered by judges, this administration does what the hell it wants.

And the cynicism is even in our face. During the citizenship case at scotus, the government's attorney was asked something to the effect of what happens if the executive branch disagrees with the ruling. The response? The executive branch retains it's right to interpret the law as it sees right.

In other works the trump administration follows judge's orders it likes --- claiming it's honorably following the law --- or blows it off as rulings by wacko judge's when it doesnt. Whence the question: why not be a man and just do what you want without the pretense of caring about the law. Answer: assholes always try to hide behind paperwork when they can.

It's like the stormy Daniel's case. Instead of coming home and saying I wanna bed porn stars but I still want to be married and be called husband, father --- take it or leave it -- he delegated the problem to a moron lawyer who took about a 2nd mortgage on his house who then did the paperwork for him. He hid behind an nda, and paperwork pushers. That's a man? No, he's a coward.

When you have no accountability whatsoever delegating your work and blaming foot soldier's is never done! You gotta feel sorry (sarcasm) for someone that stuck on stupid and the idiots who run to it.

Good god! I am sick of this fool, and the do nothing congress.

  • BugsJustFindMe

    > When in the heck is Congress gonna get some backbone and hold this clown accountable.

    It's not a problem of backbone. Republicans (the majority group) in Congress clearly want the fraud to continue if you match their behavior and their words.

    • scrubs

      There's no doubt the gop is cravenly criminal. Yes, there are plenty of democrats who were/are criminal too but the trump administration is a whole other level of corruption by comparison.

      Speaking of democrats: how out of touch and how operationally ineffective do you have to be to lose to trump twice? A lot. Like systemic institutional failure bad. Dems are not so corrupt relative to trump, but their level of ineffective clulessness is cosmically big. So let's not get too righteous about the other side.

      Washington dc is rotten. Rotten to core. Rotten by us to us. Immigrants, Russia, Iran, China didn't do it. We did it to ourselves. Moreover I have no sympathy for belt way insiders. You poisoned your own institution.

      Two more bad consequences are increasing polarization --- swing hard right then left then right --- while deficit, security, interest payments, debt, fairness under the law go worse. Far left has its own set of problems potentially with similar greed in extended power centers

      In the near term it puts the wind at the back of populism for the little guy because as of now re: trump draining the swamp? Maga voters sing it with me:

      I heard it in a love song. Heard it in a love song. I heard it in a loooovvve song. Can't be wrong (Marshall Tucker band)

      Meaning? Of course it's wrong. Wrong by intention and wrong by construction. You were told what you wanted to hear, and you ate it hook line and sinker. How can anybody believe trump could handle and serious responsibility?

      Trump is getting his and there's nothing you can do about it for the next two years baring religious level miracles.

    • welcome_dragon

      Exactly. Those who suckle from the orange teats get rewarded ... Of course until they disagree with him then they get cut off

  • ryandvm

    > When in the heck is Congress gonna get some backbone and hold this clown accountable.

    Strategy. The GOP isn't even trying to hold him back any more because they know they're probably going to lose control of Congress at the mid-terms, at which point they know the Democrats will be licking their chops to impeach him. Then they can feign indignation, and possibly a few GOP votes if necessary, for a successful impeachment. After that, they'll have the President they want, JD Vance, with a potential 10 year term.

  • atmavatar

    > Tariffs and citizenship has been ruled on the Supreme court.

    I wouldn't breathe easy about birthright citizenship yet. Trump v. Barbara was a relatively narrow 6-3 ruling, with Kavanaugh's concurrence hinging on a separate federal law rather than the 14th amendment itself.

    How such a very plan and clear amendment is only barely upheld by the Supreme Court is a travesty, and there's every reason to believe it could go the other way with the right combination of case specifics and arguments.

    That's precisely why Trump created another executive order -- his administration agrees with my take that the Roberts court may uphold the order when they bring it before the court again.

    • scrubs

      Ok, I stand corrected ... your details add facts, nuances my more emotional post did not entertain.

what

Does the BBC not have an editor? Not even basic spell check?

> he said, adding that thoe children

> On one of his first back days in office in 2025

Really weird to be this sloppy.

Incipient

Honestly out of all the crazy things this chap has done, limiting "birthright tourism" really doesn't seem bad.

  • tim333

    The issue is more it goes directly against the US constituion:

    >All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside.

    If he can override the constitution by issuing executive orders what's stop him just likewise abolishing democracy and declaring himself ruler for life?

  • ghusto

    Yup. This is the way it is for most European countries. Places like France, Germany, Austria, Italy, really, most.

    I find it odd that the USA had this in the first place.

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