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The US is charging an American citizen for wiping his phone at the border

gizmodo.com

55 points by thinkcontext 12 hours ago · 36 comments

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HelloUsername 4 hours ago

> Graphene OS has a duress password and PIN, which “will irreversibly wipe the device (along with any installed eSIMs) once entered anywhere where the device credentials are requested.”

iOS kinda also offers such a solution, though a bit more suspicious to perform: "Erase all data on this iPhone after 10 failed passcode attempts"

  • John23832 2 hours ago

    But if the data is backed up on iCloud, Apple will provide it with a warrant.

    • bladeacidic an hour ago

      Turn on Advanced Data protection, which encrypts it so Apple can give them the data, but they don't have the keys to decrypt it. Doesn't help if the other person you're talking to doesn't have it turned on though.

    • HelloUsername an hour ago

      But how will they prove which Apple account was just wiped from that iPhone?

      • John23832 6 minutes ago

        iPhones have unique identifiers. So do you, via your set of emails used. The email maps to the iCloud account, which then maps to the iPhone. It would be trivial to map a backup to an iPhone.

  • timothyduong 4 hours ago

    Can be set to less attempts via MDM profiles.

    Same for Android.

DivingForGold 9 hours ago

"If you’re a fan of privacy in our age of creeping digital authoritarianism, there’s one famously effective way to pass through U.S. Customs at an airport without worrying about a device search: travel with a burner phone only."

What about setting your phone from the get go to store all data on the micro sim card ? Then, when traveling through airports, swap out for another micro sim that has some small, useless data on it, fake contact list, etc. ?

Real sim card is so small can be hidden in a million places.

pbgcp2026 6 hours ago

Do not cross with your gadgets. And just do not go to / via the US.

anon291 8 hours ago

When this hits the supreme Court they need to debar the prosecutors who bring these cases to begin with.

benoau 12 hours ago

Fascinating case and arms-race, seems like part of the issue is the bricking is too obvious...

ChrisArchitect 12 hours ago

Title is: A Feature That Makes Your Phone Data Self-Destruct in Authorities’ Hands May Soon Have Its Day in Court

And it's 3 day old news

[dupe] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=49024436

throwuxiytayq 9 hours ago

Disgusting. I’ve never had to let anyone touch my phone in my entire life in any country I’ve visited.

Is there a list of countries that does this? At this point it’s obvious I won’t ever be traveling to the US, but I’m curious if genuinely authoritarian countries like China are actually less of a police state at the border than the USA.

  • ytoawwhra92 8 hours ago

    I think almost all countries do this if your name is on a list (as this person's is). It's the nature of the lists and what gets your name added to them that varies from country to country.

    • petterroea 7 hours ago

      Visiting another country is a privilege, not a right.

      • joeblubaugh 5 hours ago

        This is a US citizen, so that’s a moot point

      • mdp2021 6 hours ago

        That, whatever it means, cannot mean losses of personal rights.

        • petterroea 5 hours ago

          It means you aren't entitled to visit a foreign country. You aren't entitled to them letting you in.

          Of course in a perfect world we all trust each other and have open borders, but that's a privilege we have to work for. I'm European and enjoy the open borders, but also am well aware that such a situation is not a given.

          Cannot mean loss of personal rights, sure. Showing up at a border and being required to give up personal rights isn't ok.

          But many people in this thread are writing as if they actually believe they have a right to go anywhere, and that simply isn't the case. It's the kind of thing you need live in a strong passport country to believe.

      • aa-jv 5 hours ago

        Rights are universal, whether a state cares about them or not.

  • rmarquis 6 hours ago

    I've been to China recently. No phone search whatsoever. Their Internet is behind the famous Great Firewall though, but there is no issue using a (foreigner-only) unlocked sim or e-sim to access the rest of the Internet.

  • thenthenthen 8 hours ago

    I travelled to the US three times and once had my devices checked. Travelled to China more than 50 times, never had anything checked.

  • artisinal 7 hours ago

    UK passed a law for this recently. Germany has been doing it for a while.

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