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Israeli spyware vans infiltrate American streets and your phones

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135 points by isaacfrond 17 days ago · 50 comments

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mikestew 17 days ago

It’s those $4.5MM Chevy Tahoes discussed earlier:

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48969582

  • ProllyInfamous 17 days ago

    I have worked at this agency (in the article), as support staff (electrician), over a decade ago.

    It was incredibly eye-opening for my then-late-twenties just how much waste... Reflecting now, it's still mostly unbelievable how much money is spent on database infrastructure.

    ----

    A brother is now a politician in that same stupid state.

    My good advice for remaining fellow Texians: LEAVE.

    Nothing forces anybody (let alone the bottom 95% of Americans) to stay in the shithole they grew up in [–5th gen Texan, 2nd-gen Austinite; left a decade ago, following my smarter brother, exeunt].

    ----

    "They" don't give a single fuck about you, as long as you stay out of their way. None. Not a single fuck.

    ¢¢

    • cyanydeez 17 days ago

      they're there for culture; it's the neo-afghanistan lifestyle they want.

      • ProllyInfamous 17 days ago

        >neo-afghanistan lifestyle

        I guess that explains all the jacked-up parking lot queens.

        #PickupTruckCulture #Scratchless

        For security reasons I won't tell you which stupid one Brother drives, but it's literally the most ridiculous (and unreliable OEM), of course! It's a foot taller than He =P

        #Dieselbruh #Morons4Life #ShoulderChips

        • eth0up 17 days ago

          I am not sure if you are alluding to a personal peeve of mine, but maybe?

          Where to begin.. The big, ignorant, macho, highly confident guys with their mock pick'emUp trucks, glossy touch screens, leased batteries & proprietary BMS, Chinese parts, plastic gears, remotely hackable firmware and paper tiger frames 30% larger than reasonably necessary -- masquerading as Country Goodness and real trucks...?

          Remember the old Jimmy Dean, "Country Goodness" ad? I think AI could take Sam Eliot's voice and make millions with that approach. "It's not the reliability that matters, not the dependency on opaque firmware and fact that you don't own it, not the harsh reality that you're driving a fake truck -- it's the symbol that matters, the statement, and you know this truck symbolizes what Americuh really means."

          - Fnord; forging the future, one line of outsourced code at a time. It's what's fer dinner.

          • ProllyInfamous 16 days ago

            His stupid pussywagon literally has army-style&fluorescent gas canisters mounted on an inaccessible roofrack.

            I mean... really ?!?! Free targetable incendiaries?!

            Honestly I know they're madmax-fearing-"christians" in their approach to crowd-control, but are we at the point where we need to be boasting about gasoline reserves?

            My attempt is different: I live in a workingclass neighborhood and drive paidfor vehicles and stay in my goddam lane. My camry gets 48+ legit city MPG here on puregas Tennesseean 87 octane.

            What. the fuck. is going on. in Texas?

        • qwerpy 17 days ago

          It kinda sounds like you’re the one with the chip on the shoulder.

          • ProllyInfamous 16 days ago

            That's fair, but...

            ¿por qué no los dos?

            , hermanobeuno.

            ----

            Texceptionalism eventually kills us [almost] all.

            >"It's crooked through-and-through ... all hat, no cattle."

            with respects to Ms'ss Molly Ivans & Governor Ann Richards [Tex-(D)-90s] #RIP

            • qwerpy 16 days ago

              I have to say you have an entertaining comment style, chip or no.

              • ProllyInfamous 15 days ago

                I wear a pretty big hat, myself.

                >You can take the boy out of Texas

                >...but can you take Texas out of the boy?

                Don't know why anybody wouldchoose'ta read me, but... it do be like that.

                ----

                Random moviereq: Slingblade

                Cruising along the funnest-sidelines of insanity™

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                Have great Thursdays, sirs.

Georgelemental 17 days ago

You can partially protect yourself from these attacks by disabling 2G on your device. This won't prevent location tracking, but will stop the attacker from intercepting calls or texts.

- Android: https://source.android.com/docs/security/features/cellular-s...

- iOS: you must turn on Lockdown Mode https://support.apple.com/en-us/105120

ChrisArchitect 17 days ago

Title is: US police now armed with Israeli spy vans simulating mobile phone towers

add in Israeli-made for a bit more clarity

ChrisArchitect 17 days ago

Related tech discussion last October:

ICE is using fake cell towers to spy on people's phones

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=45184368

paytonjjones 17 days ago

Title is misleading. The vans are manufactured by an Israeli company and bought by US government entities, not vans affiliated with the nation state of Israel.

  • Georgelemental 17 days ago

    You think Israeli companies (or those of any other country, for that matter) can sell spy tech abroad without their government's signoff?

    • rwz 17 days ago

      That's not the point. The point is that the title makes it seem like the Israeli's government is spying on you, while what the article really says is that US is buying Israel's tech to spy on its own citizens.

      The title misrepresents the article claims.

      • jst1fthsdys 17 days ago

        So, the US government is buying Israeli spyware to spy on US citizens for when they speak out about Israeli control of the US government.

        • rwz 16 days ago

          That's your conjecture, the article does not make such claims.

zzzeek 17 days ago

wow that is a really misleading headline. I thought this was the Israeli government spying on US soil.

  • jst1fthsdys 17 days ago

    They are, even if this particular instance isn't exactly that.

  • applicative 17 days ago

    These articles are for the sake of the misleading headline. The postmonotheistic planet is in a fever that is far far far more profound, delusional and apocalyptic than anything thing in the 30s.

1970-01-01 17 days ago

>Cognyte sells a lot of snake oil – for instance, the company claims to have created software that predicts where crime is likely to occur in the future.

So they claim to implement machine learning which is snake oil?

  • giantg2 17 days ago

    It's not the technology that is snake oil, it's the way it's marketed. Machine learning that predicts where crime might occur is fine. But knowing that isnt going to help any more than just knowing certain neighborhoods are at higher risk.

    Then you get into the predictive policing issues if you make this more granular down to individuals. Stuff like a lack of reasonable suspicion or probable cause because police belive the BS sales pitches and take it as truth.

  • NitpickLawyer 17 days ago

    > snake oil – [...] predicts where crime is likely to occur in the future.

    Speaking strictly in the abstract here: I'm not sure this is as impossible or snake-oily as the quoted bit implies. From a technical perspective, as long as you're willing to put a lot of data in (unknown how much data about this is collected), and have a good pipeline, I'm sure a model can find enough correlations to get some accuracy better than random chance. Tracking movement patterns, events where lots of people gather, events where lots of tourists are present, temperature, employment stats, housing stats, etc. could all lead to some freaky "predictions" that might be way more accurate than a lot of people would guess. You could get a lot of these signals from GSM tracking, tbh.

    The problem with this is that even if the implementation is solid (and all the care in the world is taken when curating datasets, ensuring no biases and so on), and even if deployment is solid (say schedule more LE presence in those areas), there will inevitably be situations where things escalate and LE start trusting the system way more than they should, and start harassing bystanders for no reason other than "the AI said so, you must be a criminal". Minority report vibes and so on.

    The other problem is that it seems inevitable that some places will develop and deploy these things, and you can be sure that at least some of them will not care about solid implementations, biases and so on (UK is trialing facial recognition in stores, fully private but w/ cooperation from local LE).

  • logicchains 17 days ago

    It's very easy to predict where crime is more likely to occur in future just by postcode, but doing something useful with that prediction is a challenge.

user2722 17 days ago

But why?

  • rkozik1989 17 days ago

    To prove they are our greatest ally.

  • amelius 17 days ago

    Because they can. U.S. law and governance structures turn out to be completely broken. Hackable by the first administration that tries.

    • danans 17 days ago

      Paraphrasing Garry Kasparov from 2016: "The US is about to find out that it's democracy has been running on the honor system"

      • kennywinker 17 days ago

        All democracies run on the honor system. Which is fine, as long as you’re aware of it and don’t let people who don’t respect that honor system get into positions of power

        • johnea 17 days ago

          > All democracies run on the honor system

          That's total bullshit.

          Democracy runs on the equal application of the rule of law.

          Of course, no democracy is perfect. The degree of imperfection can be measured in how much they run on the honor system...

          • kennywinker 17 days ago

            > Democracy runs on the equal application of the rule of law.

            And how exactly do we maintain equal application of the rule of law? We put honorable people in the position of applying the law. The honor system.

            • johnea 16 days ago

              > And how exactly do we maintain equal application of the rule of law?

              Transparency and constant monitoring.

              To understand how to run an organization without trust, think like a capitalist.

              Does a bank function because of honesty?

              No, everyone is watching everyone else, all the time.

128byte 17 days ago

Incase the article gets disappeared: https://nonogra.ph/us-police-now-armed-with-israeli-spy-vans...

  • close04 17 days ago

    Getting to “the second page” is as good as gone. All it takes is platforms’ algorithms to not promote this link and it doesn’t matter how many people find it worth the discussion.

    Case in point, pushing 100 upvotes but off the front page, when some random Wired blogspam stay on the front page for half a day with a quarter of votes and comments.

  • nohell 17 days ago

    You really never know with these people

    • ProllyInfamous 17 days ago

      I did my IBEW apprenticeship (mostly) at datacenters, during Snowden's revelations. It was a wild ride, all the "not real" but seen every day at work technological capabilities that didn't technically exist. I was just an electrician.

      That was well-over a decade ago. Cannot even imagine how much more control/eavesdropping/automation the current leadership maintains, quasi-"legally" (by statute; we started re-defining wordmeanings centuries ago). I'll "stay in your lane," and thank you Dear Leaders, for freedumb.

      ----

      All to say: you're not wrong, but it's Whoever's quest for insatiability that makes them so unpredictable. Our technochomocracy thrives within, colorless.

      "Because they can."

roenxi 17 days ago

As I follow the stats, somewhere between 20-40% of the US public seems to be open to the idea that Israel is a genocidal ethnostate. I have a low opinion of the US State on the best of days but it actually seems quite remarkable that they would be buying from them given where public opinion seems to be at. The US public is tolerant of a lot of things but the political cost-benefits surely can't make sense for that.

  • stevenwoo 17 days ago

    Approximately 60 percent of Americans have unfavorable view on Israel. https://www.pewresearch.org/short-reads/2026/04/07/negative-... However there are national executive pressures and state mandates against speaking out or boycotting Israeli companies, notably in Texas where they bought these. https://gov.texas.gov/news/post/anti-israel-policies-are-ant...

  • notnaut 17 days ago

    The outcry has RAPIDLY changed in the last few years and the corpses being propped up in our government buildings by deep-seated corrupted interests have long gone deaf.

  • wk_end 17 days ago

    Are you saying that you expect the Trump regime, which has been otherwise clearly and resolutely pro-Israel, to be implementing BDS policies and refusing to buy anything from Israeli companies? To try to appease 20%-40% of Americans mostly on the opposite side of the aisle of them? The Trump regime?

    (OK - this is a state-level thing. The article is vague on details, it mentions Texas and "27 states". But the Texas government at least is blood red Republican and strongly aligned with the Trump Feds, as are about half the states, so depending on which 27 states we're talking hardly a surprise. And you were the one who said "the US State" in the first place.)

  • dumberquestions 17 days ago

    Do you really think popular opinion always gets reflected on policy?

  • applicative 17 days ago

    The US is a genocidal ethnostate. The few remaining Jews of the planet are mostly 'oriental' and are ethnicized by the Islamic world they have been exprelled from.

    • roenxi 16 days ago

      I think it would be hard to make the label "ethnostate" stick to the US. It is too diverse.

      • applicative 15 days ago

        it literally genocided the entire indigenous population, style 'red' in favor of another, styled 'white' while enslaving yet another styled 'black'

        • roenxi 13 days ago

          Yeah, but even in that characterisation it started with 1 ethnicity and the US replaced it with 2. So the result is less ethnostatic.

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