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Zero-copy in Go: sendfile, splice, and the cost of io.Copy

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75 points by mrngm a month ago · 23 comments

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sanxiyn a month ago

A good reminder. It is surprising first time you encounter it.

Same for Rust. As https://doc.rust-lang.org/stable/std/io/fn.copy.html says, std::io::copy can use copy_file_range(2), sendfile(2), or splice(2).

mike_hock a month ago

Zero-Copy in Go: Why magic is an antipattern, and: performance is observable behavior.

drivebyhooting a month ago

How is the byte counting reader supposed to work in user space without putting the buffer in user space? The article claims there is a way but I want to see what is meant by counting bytes in that case.

  • flakes a month ago

    sendfile(2) and io.ReaderFrom both return the number of bytes transmitted. The issue is that users are unaware of (or forget about) the optional interface upgrades and fail to define all the methods required for interface upgrades on their wrapper structs. You can definitely make a counting reader with a minimal performance loss, but the proper solution is less obvious than it ideally should be.

    • drivebyhooting a month ago

      Isn’t this a symptom of structural/duck typing where interfaces are not declared? In Java for all its faults this wouldn’t happen because you’d be forced to implement all the interfaces.

      • flakes a month ago

        > Isn’t this a symptom of structural/duck typing where interfaces are not declared

        Yes, essentially duck typing. See https://github.com/golang/go/blob/65504872cbca64d77f45828409...

        The logic uses a type assertion to safely verify if the value backing the provided io.Reader interface also implements the io.ReaderFrom interface. If it matches, then it will use the more efficient implementation

            if rf, ok := dst.(ReaderFrom); ok {
                return rf.ReadFrom(src)
            }
        
        > In Java for all its faults this wouldn’t happen because you’d be forced to implement all the interfaces.

        I don't think I would go that far. In Java, many libraries make heavy use of the `instanceof` keyword, which is more or less the same as Go type assertions.

        • pjmlp a month ago

          Yes, but contrary to Go, if you change an interface it will be a compiler error if additional methods are missing, unless they have default implementations.

          In Java type assertions are mostly used when writing code pre-generics style, like downcasting from a common subclasse into the actual implementation, not to see if an interface is supported, as it is a given from the type system.

          • ericpauley a month ago

            It’s pretty common to type check interface implementations in Go using package-level casts.

            • pjmlp a month ago

              I know, it is yet another language hack, just like the iota/const dance, instead of proper language constructs.

              • flakes a month ago

                How is a package level interface check a “language hack”? They are straight forward and provide a user the same compile time guarantees as the Java implements keyword.

                • pjmlp a month ago

                  Because they are a workaround for what should be a language feature in first place, just like on ML languages to type check structural types.

                  • flakes a month ago

                    What exactly isn’t a language feature? Or do you have issues with semantics?

                        var _ Foo = (*Bar)(nil)
                    
                    The statement asserts that Bar struct pointers are assignable to a Foo interface.

                    I do agree it’s not as clean looking as the Java implements keyword, but it’s already a fairly terse pattern and IMO the inconvenience does not justify introducing new language syntax.

joaohaas a month ago

Interesting premise for a post, but I had to stop midway due to the AI slop writing adding meaningless information.

throwrioawfo a month ago

Ugh, AI slop writing.

sly010 a month ago

Beware, there are versions of go where sendfile is broken and only sends the first 4k of a file on macos.

  • majewsky a month ago

    If this is a thing you need to beware of, you should more importantly beware of using a version of Go that's been outdated for over 1.5 years and EOL for nearly a year.

    Context: https://github.com/golang/go/issues/70000 fixed in 1.23.3 (released 2024-11-06), EOL for 1.23.x was 2025-08-06

inigyou a month ago

This is almost like the expression problem. Copy is a new operation, and you introduced a new type, thus creating a new grid cell nobody from either side could have reasonably known about - except for the fact Copy is in the standard library so you could have known about it but not done anything.

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