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ltrg

This only covers container ships btw. For full coverage of all vessels, try the 'vessel presence' layer in Global Fishing Watch's interactive map, based on a feed from Spire: https://globalfishingwatch.org/map/

dwedge

Years ago I used to subscribe to a service that did this for oil tankers and tried to estimate oil to each route, they wrote a weekly summary. Eventually they decided they only wanted enterprise clients and not people like me who, working in devops, had no need for this service at all and only paid the $20 a month out of some weird fascination

throw0101c

Meta: I like the use of an actual globe when zoomed out. Wish more things would do this.

* https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mercator_projection

* https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gall–Peters_projection

* https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cylindrical_equal-area_project...

victorbjorklund

What is different from marinetraffic?

  • n2j3

    Marinetraffic is a good example of enshittification. Started well, now it's heavy and ad-laden, practically useless without a paid account.

    • Noaidi

      I find Marinetraffic is fine without an account.

      Here is a link to oil tankers anchored around the Strait of Hormuz. It has much better filters:

      https://www.marinetraffic.com/en/ais/home/centerx:56.8/cente...

      • dzhiurgis

        Any of these provide satellite data without charge?

        Also - is there any sites that publish parsed data from SAR sats?

    • dry_soup

      Sounds like Flightradar24

      • jen729w

        In case anyone isn't aware:

        https://globe.adsbexchange.com

        – is an alternative to FlightRadar24 with more data.

        • mike_d

          ADSBX used to be volunteer ran until JETNET paid the guy who controlled the domain name $20 million dollars to "sell" it to them and steal everyone else's source code and data. They now do selective filtering to appease their commercial clients.

          Everyone has moved to https://globe.airplanes.live/ and https://app.airframes.io/flights now.

          Here is the lawsuit from one former group of contributors: https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/23963235-golden-hamm...

          • wolvoleo

            Yeah that really sucked. It was a great volunteer platform and I was sad the guy sold out. It didn't filter anything. Not rich guys' jets, not military etc.

            The community never really recovered. The airplanes.live one doesn't have as many feeders and the airframes.io is hidden behind a login.

            I was hoping the community would simply move in unison to a new platform just like what happened when freenode got ruined. But it seems to have kinda fallen apart.

            Especially the MLAT abilities (receiving traditional transponders pre-ADS-B) was really cool but it really needs a lot of feeders to be able to pinpoint them.

            • codethief

              How do airplanes.live and airframes.io compare to FlightRadar24? I've only ever used the latter.

        • oncallthrow

          Unfortunately adsbexchange does not allow you to see the source/destination of flights

          • esseph

            Untrue

            Click on the aircraft, then click on Flight Activity.

            • kortilla

              The inscrutable buttons in their UI are terrible for mobile/tablet access. I wish the discoverability was better

      • rustyhancock

        At least for FR24 you get a "Gold" account (no longer business) simply for running a feed.

        • tappaseater

          Nitpick: It's called Contributor and supposedly has the same features of the previous subscription. It still feels like a setup for future degradation by some marketing genius.

          • amatecha

            Yup, nothing changes now, but I'd pretty confidently place bets that the tier will have reduced features compared to the "Business" tier (or whatever it's called now)

    • joewhale

      Kpler acquired them and it's not consumer friendly anymore. They are focused on enterprise accounts only now.

  • wodenokoto

    And what’s the similarity to flight radar?

sgt

Seems to only have a tiny amount of ships compared to marinetraffic.com ?

  • jameshart

    Seems regionally biased. This map makes it look like the Americas barely see any ship traffic, while the South China Sea is paved with ships from shore to shore.

    • moffkalast

      The way I understand marinetraffic works is by having AIS receivers near shores and sending any received contacts to an API. If this works the same way then there's probably a lot fewer receivers so far.

TrackerFF

One massive problem with AIS is that it is open. This opens it up for spoofing, intentional or not. The global map is littered with garbage AIS positions, but mostly in areas that do not have strong AIS coverage to begin.

To combat this, some countries have started to enforce their countries to use VMS (vessel monitoring system). I say some, but mostly the more resource rich countries - Norway being one of them. VMS also comes with the benefit of much more data capabilities, like fishing vessels sending catch data.

Sensor fusion to detect dark vessels is also a big growing thing. We use around 5 different sensors outside the usual AIS, VMS, LRIT to build vessel tracks. Some are experimental sensors, while others are seeing more mainstream use - like navigation radar sensing.

Maybe a challenge for private entities that want to create these sorts of apps, is data - buying even just AIS data can be expensive at scale. Countries that deal with this often engage in data exchange...some data provider receives data from you, you get some in return for them.

urba_

I once worked on a problem: GPS tracking shipping containers, since one company had almost 1% lost/stolen each year. I had an idea of using AIS with Si4362 to get positioning data from the container ship itself, but it was nearly impossible to get access to reefer monitoring systems. We ended up just using 4G NB-IoT for coastal tracking and it did solve the problem

general_reveal

It almost seems like I could have lived life as a trader and traveled the seas. Don’t know the type of money involved, and I guess I wouldn’t even know where to begin doing that in real life. So much easier in video games.

I’d just be a simple TEMU hauler, no fuss, simple life. Travel the world, catch some fish.

Levitating

Seems like it's just cargo ships? And presumably not even all of them.

I'll prefer vesselfinder for marinetraffic.

kaliszad

I hope they expand it in such a way that anybody could uncover the ships of the Russian "shadow fleet" and put more pressure on politicians and officials. Suspicious draught or erratic position changes or incorrect data upon leaving/ entering a port would be key to detecting possible circumvention of sanctions.

gehsty

Interesting, a cool resource for an API endpoint for AIS data so aisstream.io. Seems quite solid. Any one any idea of a good resource for satellite AIS data - I feel like the EU probably funded it and I can’t find anything on capricious etc.

sublinear

Off topic, but I hope the UX improves. It's almost unusable.

Clicking on anything is an error-prone mess and then it hijacks the back button by changing the URL. That would be better off as a simple "share" link somewhere in the popup.

nodesocket

This seems useful speculating on short term oil prices. I believe the straight of hormuz may be closed or rumor of closing. Every expert seems to think that will spike oil prices.

cckolon

How does this differ from something like MarineTraffic?

dmarinus

I tried posting ais-catcher.org but it got ignored

0dayman

I don't see any of the American destroyers in Hormoz

amelius

Did anyone spot the USS Abraham Lincoln?

  • appointment

    Military ships don't run their radio beacons in combat zones. (There was an incident last year where the USS Theodore Roosevelt collided with a civilian cargo ship at night at least partially because it tried to approach the Suez canal with it's beacon off.)

vldszn

Looking good! Thanks for sharing

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