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Europeans don't have or understand free speech

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12 points by alexzeitler a year ago · 6 comments

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BoredPositron a year ago

He is right I really don’t understand the definition of „freedom“ anymore otherwise a pretty deplorable rant.

amai a year ago

Americans don't understand the https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paradox_of_tolerance , because they have not lost their democracy, yet. But as things are going they soon will.

  • snowfarthing a year ago

    I'm not entirely convinced this is at all true. The American Left fully understood the "paradox of tolerance", and they pushed their own tolerance to the point where, much to the relief of many Americans, President Trump won his second term.

    The problem with the "Paradox of Tolerance" is that intolerance of the "intolerant" drive the "intolerant" underground. They may feel isolated for long periods of time, but when they realize that they are the majority, rather than the minority, power can shift dramatically. This is called a "preference cascade" and it's particularly common among totalitarian regimes.

    The only way to prevent preference cascades is to have just enough tolerance of views you consider hateful that they don't get driven underground -- and you do this by rigorously debating anyone you find to be wrong, without going after their livelihoods (among other things).

    • amai a year ago

      > They may feel isolated for long periods of time, but when they realize that they are the majority, rather than the minority, power can shift dramatically.

      If the intolerant are the majority you run into the paradox of democracy:

      "a democratic majority could vote for a tyrant to rule, thus ending democracy."

      The issue here is of course: once you have a dictatorship you cannot vote to get your democracy back. Thus the paradox.

      I believe many Americans don't realize that point, because it never happened to them, yet.

johndoe0815 a year ago

Propaganda. Flagged. You have the dictator in the US.

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