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The new Framework Laptop 13 with Intel Core Ultra Series 1 CPUs

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81 points by mfcl 2 years ago · 53 comments

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kelvie 2 years ago

Perhaps the coolest part of this update is a new 2.8k 120hz screen.

This will be the first time I've upgraded a screen (myself) on my main laptop, although it ships in August.

I wonder if 120hz will drain the battery a lot faster as OEMs claim they do on smartphones, or if there's VRR support.

  • nrp 2 years ago

    There is VRR support, but 2880x1920 is still pushing a lot of pixels!

    • kelvie 2 years ago

      Amazing, you should add this somewhere public, like on the product description!

      I think this will make Linux (ecosystem) support for VRR better, as it will be another thing for relatively sophisticated Linux users to tinker with (which have a fair cross-section with framework laptop owners it feels like).

      • luyu_wu 2 years ago

        The timing's pretty good with Gnome (Mutter) releasing VRR hopefully in the next release? Some compositors have good support already too!

  • schmorptron 2 years ago

    It's great that it's VRR. Also I don't think the rounded corners will matter much in practice, might even look cool if the bezels are designed for it!

    • nrp 2 years ago

      Yep, you stop noticing the corners pretty quickly. We thought about introducing rounded bezels to match it, but didn't want to introduce bezel fragmentation.

      • CarVac 2 years ago

        Speaking of bezel hardware changes, people keep asking for the 13 to operate better while closed. I took a look inside my 13 and found that you could make a bezel with an indent or cutout on the hinge cover at the vent location and almost completely unblock the heatsink exhaust.

        The only tradeoff I can think of besides inventory fragmentation would be appearance while open (no uniform bar the whole way across).

        Not important for me personally, but it would make it a better option for those who use the laptop docked to a much larger screen perhaps with an eGPU.

nrp 2 years ago

I'm happy to answer any questions folks have about the new product and modules.

  • frankjr 2 years ago

    Either I'm going crazy or there's bug in the configuration wizard - I'm selecting 64GB of memory with Ultra 7 165H CPU DIY, but when I add it to the bag it says just 16GB.

    • nrp 2 years ago

      Thanks for reporting this. The team is able to reproduce this and is working on fixing it now.

  • pastor_williams 2 years ago

    I just got a Framework 16 laptop and can't get it set up because it gives an error that the input module connector board is not detected. I already opened a ticket with support but haven't yet heard back.

    The face plate for the touchpad isn't flush with the faceplate with the side panels, which is sort of annoying. It could be resolved by having the touchpad panel the full width of the laptop instead of having spacers. Will there be an option to do that in the future?

    • nrp 2 years ago

      Our support team is usually able to respond within 24 hours on weekdays, but if you haven't received a reply in longer than that, check if the response went to spam. Please also let them know about the touchpad.

  • arusahni 2 years ago

    Could you share video samples from the new webcam?

    • nrp 2 years ago

      We have a blog post coming up where we'll share more about the webcam and some captures from it.

  • luyu_wu 2 years ago

    Is the grey-to-grey response time information available? If not would it be possible to share the panel's serial code?

  • jseliger 2 years ago

    I don't have any questions but I do think it looks great and that Framework is doing interesting and important work.

  • sockbot 2 years ago

    It's amazing that you've been able to ride on the coattails of another manufacturer's tooling investment in the panels.

    Can you share the data sheet for this new panel? The previous matte panel has a very bright minimum brightness of 21 nits. What is the minimum brightness of this new panel?

    • eigenspace 2 years ago

      > It's amazing that you've been able to ride on the coattails of another manufacturer's tooling investment in the panels.

      This is what almost everyone does for one part or another. Companies are just usually not so transparent about it.

  • dureuill 2 years ago

    Hello, what kind of RAM is supported for the Intel configuration?

    I have a 32GB DDR4 SO DIMM 2400MHz sitting around, can I repurpose it for a new Framework config (and spare the corresponding 180€)?

    • luyu_wu 2 years ago

      Intel Core Ultra only supports DDR5 unfortunately. 13th gen is the last generation that supported DDR4 (14th on desktop).

      • dureuill 2 years ago

        Thank you for the answer!

        The limited range of compatibility of RAM components makes me wonder if the promise of upgradeability actually delivers

  • s9g 2 years ago

    For those happy to do the tinkering, will you make the `super` key individually available, rather than needing to buy the full keyboard?

  • satralkorks 2 years ago

    Does it support HDR/Dolby Vision?

    The Surface Pro 8/9 that this seems to be based on says it supports Dolby Vision.

  • ruph123 2 years ago

    Will you offer some kind of (optional) case+adapter to make an older webcam usable as a usb-camera?

  • 9991 2 years ago

    No questions, just thank you.

  • hamandcheese 2 years ago

    Any word on expected battery life this time around?

seusscat 2 years ago

I saw the email with stating that the SD Card expansion slot was in stock and jumped to the marketplace, credit card in hand to make a purchase.

Unfortunately, the page still says give us your email for a notification. Theres no per-order option for just the expansion slot as of yet.

Please make it happen, that's the last thing really important thing I need with my laptop.

Thank you for this "last laptop I'll ever buy"

lawn 2 years ago

> and we’ll be launching in Sweden, Finland, and Denmark this June

As a Swede this is by far the most exciting part of the announcement!

jarbus 2 years ago

How on earth did they announce an Ultra edition and not mention how the battery life is improved from other models?

  • mellow-lake-day 2 years ago

    >This is our fourth Framework Laptop 13 iteration with Intel processors, and we continue to optimize performance further each time. With Intel Core Ultra Series 1, Intel delivered major improvements in efficiency and battery life, especially on use cases like video playback.

    • nrp 2 years ago

      We avoid providing specific numbers because battery life is massively dependent on workload and because we want to let press reviewers share their measured numbers.

      • eviks 2 years ago

        You could counter that by setting up a few workflows and consistently measuring against that

      • pcdoodle 2 years ago

        I can pull 30 hours on 11th gen framework 13 idle with the screen on minimum brightness under windows 10 stripped down.

        Thanks for making awesome stuff.

    • jarbus 2 years ago

      I was looking for specific numbers, not “major improvements”.

Havoc 2 years ago

Reckon they’re going to get stiff competition from the arm surfaces

  • eigenspace 2 years ago

    I doubt it. Framework’s core audience doesnt have all that much overlap with the Surface’s audience.

  • jimbobthrowawy 2 years ago

    Looking forward to them releasing an arm-powered mainboard eventually. I have to assume it won't be price competitive though.

    • Havoc 2 years ago

      I suspect most of their target audience is willing to swallow the price issue for brand and modularity

llama_person 2 years ago

How's the battery on this one? I'm hoping to upgrade from 11th gen intel i7. If possible, upgrading by just swapping the mainboard would be amazing.

  • nrp 2 years ago

    It should be a pretty noticeable improvement if you're coming from 11th Gen. When we send out press units, you'll see reviewers doing comparison reviews across generations.

ruph123 2 years ago

Here is hope that they will add a motherboard with the new Qualcomm arm chips in the future. Although I can already see that the whole architecture may be too different to make it fit?

luyu_wu 2 years ago

Really happy to see a higher refresh rate screen here, as an osu! player this will be immensely helpful. These types of things are what solidify my faith in why I got a Framework in the first place :)

bfrog 2 years ago

Will there be a lunar lake model this fall? I’ll be shopping for sure then

darthrupert 2 years ago

Still, after all these years, no delivery to half of Europe.

jimmaswell 2 years ago

So the 13 line will continue to get its own new upgrades, as opposed to being support only in wake of the 16. I'd never use such a small screen for a primary laptop but that's neat for people who do.

darksim905 2 years ago

I want a laptop that has a standard keyboard with swappable keys. Granted it's sort of a desktop or large chunky thing at that point, but the idea of chic keys infuriates me to no end.

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