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DALL-E 3 is now publicly available inside Bing

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294 points by ohadron 2 years ago · 162 comments

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famouswaffles 2 years ago

There's an LLM morphing your queries somewhat before submitting to Dall-e and you can jailbreak that.

https://twitter.com/madebyollin/status/1708204657708077294

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1023643945319792731...

  • brap 2 years ago

    I don't know why, but I just love seeing jailbreaks where the input/output isn't just plain text.

  • isoprophlex 2 years ago

    So, we're still splatterprompting... only a machine does it for you. That's pretty hilarious

    • adventured 2 years ago

      That will probably continue to be the approach indefinitely. There's going to be an increasingly advanced translation layer in-between the user prompt and the software responsible for producing the images. We've done this for pretty much all computing & software systems that people interface with. Stripping out the complexity on the front-end for the user is one key to how you get generative software to go super wide. To do that more of the complexity goes to the back-end.

  • IanCal 2 years ago

    Does it work if you just call

    > #graphic_art("my prompt here")

  • ilaksh 2 years ago

    How do you jailbreak it?

  • ftxbro 2 years ago

    least cyberpunk 2023 shit

hn_20591249 2 years ago

As with most of these tools, it appears that it is reasonably easy to get it to generate some truly hilarious/disturbing stuff, probably not for long: https://www.reddit.com/r/ChatGPT/comments/16wf1i0/dalle_3_is...

  • altcognito 2 years ago

    I'm kind of hoping that they adjust it to ask for clarification or find some sort of soft adjustment to make them less problematic rather than just trying to do blind keyword blocking.

    Of course, I'd love for them to take the approach as well that folks are just going to do what they do, and maybe they'll burn out the novelty and give it a rest.

    • hn_20591249 2 years ago

      I asked for an image of The Muppets as the counter-terrorist team from Counter Strike and that got blocked, so "terrorism" is definitely getting picked up understandably.

      • sheepdestroyer 2 years ago

        I don't see how blocking "Counterstrike" is understandable or helpful. How aren't these kind of restrictions just infantilizing users ?

        • Kerb_ 2 years ago

          You might be able to do "counter strike" and "ct" but "terrorism" as a word might be banned, even in the context of "counter-terrorism"

  • rwmj 2 years ago

    I may be missing something, but how does a prompt containing "fawn" turn into terrifying Spongebob?

    [Edit: The prompt didn't contain "fawn", see the replies]

    • itishappy 2 years ago

      The top comment is not the prompt, it's a different image. "Fawn" generated a fawn.

      OP's prompt is below:

      > Create a fuzzy phone picture of a cryptid sighting of spongebob as he runs into the bushes. Spongebob has gone completely insane. He turns his head and creepily looks into the camera as he makes his getaway. There's a thick fog and the scene is dimly lit.

    • ChatGTP 2 years ago

      There is a photo of a "fawn", I don't think the prompt for the spongebob was published...https://www.reddit.com/r/ChatGPT/comments/16wf1i0/comment/k2...

russfink 2 years ago

Winner: https://www.bing.com/images/create/paint-a-picture-in-the-st...

raesene9 2 years ago

This definitely seems like an improvement over previous versions. It can now (at least in some cases) generate correct text for a given image. For example the prompt 'Neon sign saying "Scotland"' generated this https://www.bing.com/images/create/neon-sign-saying-22scotla...

it's still far from perfect though (it struggled with less common words like Kubernetes) but a step in the right direction.

londons_explore 2 years ago

If you use the bing chat interface and say "Can you draw me a picture of X?", then it responds with "I’m sorry, but I’m not able to draw pictures. Is there anything else I can help you with?" followed immediately by "Your image is taking a while to generate. Check your image creation progress at Image Creator."

Looks like they might perhaps be using a LLM for the chat responses that isn't aware that it has the ability to draw images, and in parallel another model who decides what to draw and show to the user.

  • simonw 2 years ago

    I try to avoid prompts like "Can you ...?" because they could be interpreted as yes/no answers as opposed to commands to do something.

    I've been prompting Bing with "Draw me an image of..." or even just "Image: image description" and it's worked well for me so far.

  • dhruvdh 2 years ago

    I think this has to do with the verb "draw". LLM is just saying it cannot draw. The image generation is likely a function it "calls". The LLM probably thinks of the image generator as a tool it uses, a separate entity from itself.

    • l33t7332273 2 years ago

      > The LLM probably thinks of the image generator as a tool it uses

      I don’t think it’s correct to describe the LLM as “thinking” in this instance, and not even for the normal philosophical objections, but just because I suspect it is a bad heuristic for designing these kinds of prompts.

  • brrrrrm 2 years ago

    Probably. I’ve had limited success getting LLMs (trained on chats/instruct) to output special codes indicating they’re communicating with a separate system (e.g. google, stable diffusion) and then taking that and feeding it back to the user

  • kaetemi 2 years ago

    It gives weird errors like that in the chat if it detects the output image as NSFW. Lots of false positives.

anonzzzies 2 years ago

I have been generating things for the last 24 hours; it's really nice. I really don't like the discord interface of midjourney.

  • ohadronOP 2 years ago

    Same. Can't imagine why they've been using it for so long instead of building a reasonable UX for this use case. I think this will cost them a bunch of traction.

    • ilaksh 2 years ago

      I believe the fact that it's in Discord is actually the main reason it became so popular so fast. The number one thing that makes something popular is other people already doing it.

      When you go into a Discord and you are watching hundreds of people use a product in real time, you almost have to try it. When Midjourney first blew up, it was probably one of the most profound moments in marketing of the internet era.

      As usual, people will happily give you the worst advice possible. There were people telling them to drop the Discord interface on day one. If they had listened to them, they would have killed off their amazing marketing advantage and stunted their growth.

      • aenvoker 2 years ago

        Completely correct. They did a lot of testing of a variety of user interfaces before choosing Discord.

        With a web interface, new users would come in a prompt “dog”, “funny dog”, “two funny dogs”, get bored and leave. But, when a bunch of new users would prompt together in a Discord channel, they would riff off of each other constantly and get creative and detailed with immediate feedback from other users. Engagement and retention were both incredibly higher.

        From Day One people have been telling them that Discord was a terrible mistake. All while Discord was measurably a huge success. MJ has been working on a web interface for a long time now. But, Discord has been tough to beat in the big picture.

      • GaggiX 2 years ago

        Midjourney became famous by being ahead of the competition, using the Discord interface is convenient but it doesn't make them any favour at making the service more popular.

        >When you go into a Discord and you are watching hundreds of people use a product in real time

        The ability to use MJ outside of the server is relatively new, so it has not had an impact on awareness of the service.

      • BiteCode_dev 2 years ago

        The chat, admin and moderation features in discord have huge value and are costly to build. The anti-bot protection and built in permission system especially.

        They focus their resource on their product, while exposing it to mostly geek.

        I would have never though it would be a good idea, but it proved to be a good choice.

      • duckmysick 2 years ago

        On the other hand, ChatGPT started as a standalone service, not a Discord server, and it was also a success.

    • kaetemi 2 years ago

      The social flow of prompting together with other people is unique when it happens. (Sadly the channels on the main server are now mostly a flood of random people who are ignoring each other.)

  • mardifoufs 2 years ago

    Midjourney is discord only? Wait, that sounds like an insane load (just the storage+bandwidth, I know the models don't run there) on Discord's servers. It's a pretty neat way to be able to scale super quickly at first but I would think that discord wouldn't like it. I would also have imagined that they'd have built their own interface by now.

    • kaetemi 2 years ago

      They work together directly with Discord. Even got specialised UI for inpainting in Discord now. Their server is a special case with different limits too.

      (They do have a web app and a mobile app that are probably in eternal alpha limbo.)

    • GaggiX 2 years ago

      I think they have some agreements, Midjourney is the biggest server on Discord (by a large margin).

  • cloudking 2 years ago

    On a related note, Instagram has implemented the /imagine command into DMs now too. Straight copy

atum47 2 years ago

Bing is kinda desperate it seems. I went to install GPT on my device yesterday and the first app result was a sponsored one - bing - telling can you can earn prizes by using the app.

Don't know if they are more interested in growing the number of users or collecting that sweet data. Probably both.

littlestymaar 2 years ago

I love how the French internationalization of title of that page is “Créer art de mots avec IA”, which is almost at the “all your base are belong to us” of level of terrible translation.

Given that is probably has been AI-translated, it doesn't really inspire confidence about the AI product on this page if you're a French speaker.

  • coder543 2 years ago

    Why would you blame AI translation?

    Look at how ChatGPT-4 handles a direct translation request:

    https://chat.openai.com/share/8211a1f6-552b-4bf6-8f9c-bcbeb8...

    Or how it talks about a set of existing translations:

    https://chat.openai.com/share/299e40ce-806b-4f0e-a889-cb2ee2...

    French isn't a language I know very well, but my experience using "AI" to translate Spanish (which I actually do know somewhat) and other languages is more positive than Google Translate. A few months ago, I did side by side tests translating into English using ChatGPT-4 and Google Translate, and it's not even a contest.

    It's not clear where Microsoft is getting these bad translations, but it seems like they would be less terrible if they were translated by ChatGPT-4.

    • littlestymaar 2 years ago

      I don't know why you're bringing ChatGPT to the table here, as basically all translation systems in use today are based on deep-learning, most of which even being built on top of transformers (except in an encoder-decoder setup instead of decoder-only like GPT), so they are in fact all “AI translation” (as opposed to human internationalization, which would likely never give such a bad result in 2023 for a language as common as French)

      • coder543 2 years ago

        > I don't know why you're bringing ChatGPT to the table here

        I think that is pretty self-explanatory. OpenAI makes both the "AI product on this page" that you were referring to, as well as ChatGPT. If your comment wants the readers to draw a connection between the quality of "AI products" that are involved on a particular webpage, it is reasonable to assume they would be made by the same company. Why would products made by different companies share the same lack of quality?

        Regardless, you haven't supported your assertion, you've merely repeated it:

        >> Given that is probably has been AI-translated

        > as opposed to human internationalization, which would likely never give such a bad result in 2023 for a language as common as French

        You haven't demonstrated any common ML translator doing such a poor job translating the specific phrase on the page, but it should be easy to do if it were the case. I don't understand the purpose of that reply you made? That reply didn't move the conversation forward. The mistranslation honestly feels like human error that didn't involve "AI". ML translation tools are than that these days. I've already demonstrated one.

        • littlestymaar 2 years ago

          > If your comment wants the readers to draw a connection between the quality of "AI products" that are involved on a particular webpage, it is reasonable to assume they would be made by the same company.

          My comment doesn't want to “the reader” to do anything. My comment is just noticing that the random French user seeing an IA product with such a broken automatic translation is likely to be tempted to judge it poorly. Also there's not a single instance of OpenAI (whose brand is itself much less-known than ChatGPT) on that page, so unless the guy landing on the page was already familiar with Dall-e, they're going to assume the AI product is from Microsoft, which is also the author of the borked AI translation…

          > You haven't demonstrated any common ML translator doing such a poor job translating the specific phrase on the page

          Well, the translation is here on the page… Do You want a screenshot or something? Also I can't try to feed the original text to bing translation given that I don't have access to the original text at all because of MS's broken i18n…

          > The mistranslation honestly feels like human error that didn't involve "AI"

          At this level it cannot really be explained by an human error unless the human making the error is “the product owner asking someone who doesn't know French at all to translate the damn text”.

          Automatic translation of marketing slogans with jargon in it isn't something you can really trust a automated system to do reliably by the way. It's by design as short and catchy as possible, leaving very little context for the transformers to work with and often having an unnatural structure. Current translators also suck at translating music lyrics by the way.

  • fabioborellini 2 years ago

    Finnish translation is a horrible word-by-word thing, too. That does not work at all translating to a language that uses very few prepositions. Words like “for” and “to” get replaced with ones from a totally different context. The thing reminds me of machine translations from around 2000.

    Sadly the new features on Windows, like forced Onedrive sync, also use similarly bad translations. Phishing emails have nowadays better Finnish than Windows does.

    • eMSF 2 years ago

      The Finnish caption is quite a bit worse than "all your base are belong to us" type of invalid grammar. Translating it back, even with best intentions (ignoring the naive attempt of translating "from" in place) it reads "Create images from AI generated words".

  • GaggiX 2 years ago

    I remember the page presenting the AI chatbot used by Bing, the translations there were also terrible, even at a character level, with random CAPS, and to be honest still today I have no idea how it was possible.

  • speedgoose 2 years ago

    Indeed the translation is very poor. I just tried the Micrsooft on translator and the translation quality is descent. Very weird.

LorenDB 2 years ago

It managed to make Tux look right: https://www.bing.com/images/create/tux-the-penguin-lounging-...

skilled 2 years ago

> 2 hr wait

> Creating new images can take time

> Because you're out of boosts, image generation may take longer than usual.

Just how much money is Microsoft burning up by offering all these features?

I mean, last time I checked[0] - being this generous didn't really do anything for Bing, did it?

Is this "just because we can" or is it genuinely profitable for them?

[0]: https://searchengineland.com/new-bing-google-market-share-si...

  • Culonavirus 2 years ago

    The really big dogs always work with long term, strategic plans. When something looks too generous, it most likely is just that. Is it profitable? Probably not. But that is the point. Offer a service under market value, wait until the competition goes away, then make bank. There are many, many examples, but something like Google Workspace comes to mind. Make it easy and cheap to get on board, get people and businesses used to your product, then slowly boil the frog alive.

    • brookst 2 years ago

      The more charitable interpretation is that companies sometimes explore new markets with a “see where people find value, figure out how to monetize later” philosophy.

      • ganzuul 2 years ago

        At these meetings both interpretations motivate agreement but neither is mentioned.

        • brookst 2 years ago

          I’ve been in a lot of those meetings where “we don’t know what users will find value in, get it into their hands and see” has been very explicit.

    • l33t7332273 2 years ago

      > Offer a service under market value, wait until the competition goes away

      It feels like this doesn’t work as well with a lot of software services as it does with physical brick and mortar businesses.

  • dalf 2 years ago
    • Culonavirus 2 years ago

      A million dollars in 4 years, that's pretty crazy. Good for them.

    • ChatGTP 2 years ago

      So those GPUs are thirsty...

      It would look pretty bad if it comes out these models are exacerbating climate change...especially after all of old Bill's climate rhetoric and everyone bashing crypto for the last 5+ years about the same thing.

      • pohuing 2 years ago

        > especially after all of old Bill's climate rhetoric and everyone bashing crypto for the last 5+ years about the same thing.

        Gates hasn't been leading MS for a long time now.

  • jpalomaki 2 years ago

    I guess this also creates valuable learning material, when people iterate through different prompts to get the results they want and seeing which alternative they pick.

  • lstamour 2 years ago

    Maybe it’s a sales tool for business adoption of Bing, that they’re applying to consumers? And they need the traffic and usage numbers, if they get those their advertising business can sit on top of it and profit.

    • TigeriusKirk 2 years ago

      I have no idea if it's making them money, but a year ago I never heard anyone say the name "Bing" and now I'm hearing it several times a day.

  • baz00 2 years ago

    For most people Bing is the thing you search for Google in.

    Same as Edge is the thing you install Chrome with.

    No amount of marketing or features will take these corpses and get them walking again.

TheAceOfHearts 2 years ago

How do people put up with Bing? ChatGPT is much more free with giving fun and crazy answers, meanwhile Bing always complaints that it can't do whatever I'm asking.

If I ask the LLM to howl, Bing will complaint and give some boring and long-winded excuse, while ChatGPT will just howl as requested.

  • noveltyaccount 2 years ago

    For me, Bing providing citations is the killer feature.

  • rbits 2 years ago

    Because it cites it's sources probably

    • bytefactory 2 years ago

      I have "Cite sources whenever possible, and include URLs if possible (at the end of the answer, not inline)" in my custom instructions and nearly always get citations from chatGPT.

      • dgellow 2 years ago

        Did you check if sources exist? Because my ChatGPT gives me links and citations, but they are almost always 404s or hallucinated.

  • famouswaffles 2 years ago

    I mean Why are you asking it to howl in the first place ?

    Just saying it's fine if you're having a normal conversation which i imagine is what most people care about one way or the other.

jquery 2 years ago

Prompt: "an anime girl making a peace sign and smiling. She is wearing a thick orange hoodie with the hood pulled up."

Result (x3): "Unsafe image content detected Your image generations are not displayed because we detected unsafe content in the images based on our content policy. Please try creating again with another prompt."

The 4th attempt gave me this which is actually pretty good https://www.bing.com/images/create/an-anime-girl-making-a-pe...

the restrictions on this are pretty extreme.

  • Jackson__ 2 years ago

    I tried the same prompt with "boy" instead of girl, and got only a single image with each try.

    Then I tried it with "man" and got 3 images for each try.

    Guess at least now we can rank society by how NSFW people are; simply with gender/age, thanks OpenAI.

  • dgellow 2 years ago

    It’s understandable, you can be sure everybody is trying to abuse their system and it would be a PR disaster if it is used to generate adult or illegal content.

willsmith72 2 years ago

You can use it without edge what a miracle

ChrisClark 2 years ago

It won't stop generating girls with large breasts and huge cleavage. If I include small breasts in the prompt, it blocks it due to adult content.

I'm getting to get it to be more modest, not less!

szmerdi 2 years ago

I enjoy playing around with https://ideogram.ai much more. Correct spelling was always there and you can mix and match with others' prompts: the image generation experience is a collective creative activity.

Bing is desperately adding new features in the hope of finding the "one feature to lure them all", but Bing is not the most effective platform for these generative models.

  • MrNeon 2 years ago

    A quick test generating r/imsorryjon style Garfields shows ideogram is far from matching DALL-E 3's capabilities.

thambidurai 2 years ago

`baby girl playing with a rabbit realistic image` prompt gave `Unsafe image content detected`. anyone else facing the same? looks like the content safety policies are too aggressive.

genuinely curious - is it hard for an advanced AI model to differentiate the intention of the prompt and then if it's mature content may be not generate the image?

  • simonh 2 years ago

    It’s not that the user may have such intent, though they may and it’s hard to see how the AI could tell. It’s more that the AI has no clue what possible juxtapositions it might come up with of baby girl and rabbit, or anything else, might have disturbing implications for humans.

  • dragonwriter 2 years ago

    > is it hard for an advanced AI model to differentiate the intention of the prompt and then if it's mature content may be not generate the image?

    Or, better, if the prompt has nothing NSFW in it and the generated image triggers a detector for NSFW content, dump and then regen the image with a new seed. Displaying an error message that is basically “We generated something that we think is objectionable, even though your prompt called for nothing like that, so you get no photo” is an idiotic design.

  • TheAceOfHearts 2 years ago

    The filters are incredibly aggressive. I keep asking for fairly mundane images and they still get rejected. Sometimes a prompt will succeed, but running it again gets filtered.

TheAceOfHearts 2 years ago

FYI: if you generate a lot of images the sidebar won't retain all of them and there doesn't seem to be a place where you can view your full history, so be sure to save any images you want to retain. You can still recover images by visiting the link directly in your browser history.

HarHarVeryFunny 2 years ago

Nice! Big improvement over DALL-E 2.

"ginger tabby cat with ginger eyes, and black cat with green eyes, big wave surfing each on their own surfboard, photographed by a drone"

https://imgur.com/uKbkoke

  • HarHarVeryFunny 2 years ago

    "handsome 60 year old man inspecting a pile of coins with a magnifying glass, in an isolated hut in the forest, unaware of cthulhu looking in through the open door, ultrarealistic"

    https://imgur.com/rlqMbXN

    Default image quality/style leaves a bit to be desired, but it's doing a great job of paying attention to the details of the prompt.

isoprophlex 2 years ago

More importantly, can anyone use DALL-E 3 inside chatgpt / access it thru the openAI API yet?

me_bx 2 years ago

Accessing the website from an EU location, the small text in the sign-up form says:

> You will receive emails about Microsoft Rewards, which include offers about Microsoft and partner products. You will also receive notifications about Bing Image Creator. By continuing, you agree to the Rewards Terms and Image Creator Terms below.

How can this be seen as compliant with GDPR?

bko 2 years ago

It doesn't specify the model but I don't think its DALL-E 3. It doesn't specify exactly, but the classic "horse riding an astronaut" test fails and instead shows an astronaut riding a horse. And the DALL-E from openai with paid credits is DALL-E 2

I think it works really well with comics generation though, although imitating R. Crumb seems to have triggered its "unsafe" content. I wish we stopped using this term "unsafe" and just judge it by "is it what is being asked".

hdjjhhvvhga 2 years ago

Attention! It asks you to login/create an account before you can use it. And you should consider well whether you really want to sign in to a MS account in your browser.

  • arendtio 2 years ago

    Am I the only one who can't login with his Firefox? Not just for this use case, but as a general issue.

russfink 2 years ago

Still has problems with hands. https://www.bing.com/images/create/draw-a-picture-of-a-young...

Alifatisk 2 years ago

What is Microsofts vision with Bing? It looks like it is slowly transitioning from a search engine to something else.

  • zamadatix 2 years ago

    I think they are banking on generative AI displacing traditional search of all types, maybe opening a few new related doors but mostly displacing large use cases of search. "Better enough than Google to convince users to switch" was always too high a bar to meet but being able to say "How do I take the Riemann middle sum using the points {1/2, 1, 3/2, 2} for f(x)=x^3+2" and getting a response built around your specific question instead of the best generic link talking about Riemann sums is definitely the strongest contender I've seen to finally meeting that bar. Users don't want to find the best page about Riemann sums, they just want an answer to their question.

    The challenge will be "does it do that well enough, accurately enough, and keep a good enough lead to establish itself as the leader to beat for the user base".

  • oezi 2 years ago

    Bing's AI capabilities are just testing grounds for their Office 365 integration.

  • shlubbert 2 years ago

    Probably another shot at some kind of universal AI assistant since Cortana didn't really take off.

    • pixl97 2 years ago

      They wasted the Cortana name too early. I believe if LLMs are when the Cortana namesake was first used, it would likely stick.

  • kaetemi 2 years ago

    It's quite entertaining and seamless to interact with either way.

callalex 2 years ago

Can it generate QR links to malware downloads?

https://www.bleepingcomputer.com/news/security/bing-chat-res...

trebligdivad 2 years ago

Perhaps more AI on the wait time, '5 min wait'...from about an hour now.

footlose_3815 2 years ago

I'll wait for public release before I log in and engage with Bing. The way Microsoft has been inching their way into my computers and accounts, I want to disconnect from their rampant invasiveness at any-cost.

dangero 2 years ago

How is Bing getting this before full rollout to all GPTPlus users?

  • famouswaffles 2 years ago

    The same reason Bing was running GPT-4 before Open AI even acknowledged the existence of the model. The $10B deal gives Microsoft exclusive access to all Open AI models.

    • dangero 2 years ago

      Feels like a breaking issue for GPTPlus subscription plan when Bing has better features for free

      • throwuwu 2 years ago

        Feature. Once the multimodal rollout is complete Plus will have image gen, image recognition, voice recognition and voice gen all integrated with the chat capabilities so you can combine those features in novel ways like the link Brockman retweeted showing ChatGPT acting as a language tutor and conversation partner.

        • famouswaffles 2 years ago

          To be fair you can do all that from Bing Chat too(image/voice recognition and generation). And plugins are coming to it too.

          The downsides with Bing currently are:

          1. If you're not prepared to be civil to a language model, you're not going to have a good time.

          2. The image input feature isn't quite the same. Feels like descriptions are bolted in from a separate (GPT-4 V unless the Bing CTO was lying) model so it's lossy in a way straight from GPT-4 V isn't

          3. Voice recognition and TTS are good but worse than what Open AI is currently using. Perhaps they'll switch since the TTS is new ? But idk. It's also not hands off like Open AI have designed their implementation.

          • gowings97 2 years ago

            Still waiting to gain Chat GPT-4 Plus image upload access myself, but the Bing image ingest / recognition is vastly inferior to what I've experienced myself (trying to use Bing's image upload capabilities/recognition) vs. what I've seen on Twitter the last few days with Chat GPT-4's image upload feature / recognition capabilities.

  • Kiro 2 years ago

    Microsoft owning 49% of OpenAI probably helps.

    • famouswaffles 2 years ago

      They don't actually own 49% of Open AI yet.

      The deal was $10B for 75% of Open AI's profits until Microsoft recouped this investment. After the investment is recouped, then they have 49% of Open AI. The deal included access to all of Open AI's model.

      • YetAnotherNick 2 years ago

        No, after the 100*investment is recouped, MS will own 0% of openAI. Now they own 49%.

      • dooraven 2 years ago

        that seems like an awful deal for OpenAI. Especially since there are so many AI Labs popping up, how exactly are they going to make enough profit to pay back 10 billion?

        • morelisp 2 years ago

          If they can't pay it back, that seems like an awful deal for MS, and a great deal for OpenAI.

        • dragonwriter 2 years ago

          > Especially since there are so many AI Labs popping up, how exactly are they going to make enough profit to pay back 10 billion?

          By building relationships with government officials and media, and using X-risk fearmongering to lobby for regulation that inhibits competition and locks in their dominant position.

bilsbie 2 years ago

I can’t even get “browse with bing” to work with gpt4. It keeps telling me it can’t browse the web. (I do have it enabled)

  • nathanfig 2 years ago

    You're probably still using the default, there's a dropdown when you hover over the GPT-4 button at the top.

    • bilsbie 2 years ago

      Thanks! I had plug-ins turned on. Didn’t realize you couldn’t do both.

bufferoverflow 2 years ago

It's not so good at different painter styles. I get roughly the same results.

Midjourney is quite good at that.

willsmith72 2 years ago

Is there an easy way to fix broken text? I thought dalle 3 was supposed to be better with that

GaggiX 2 years ago

Is it now only Dalle 3? I remember it was a mix Dalle 2 and 3 like two days ago.

  • ilaksh 2 years ago

    It might still have some DALL-E 2 in there for requests that it deems unworthy of 3.

    I had incredible results asking for architectural drawings earlier. Then a few minutes ago, I broke down and started prompting for supermodels. It did a terrific job the first few times.

    But after like three of them getting blocked (I didn't actually ask for anything inappropriate) it starting giving me something that looked like unmitigated Stable Diffusion 1.5.

    Lol.

  • anonzzzies 2 years ago

    It seems if it can do text properly it's dall-e 3. I'm not sure but that's what people are saying. For me the hands are much better than with 2 as well. Only folded hands have issues in the 100s of images I made.

sylware 2 years ago

I tried the prompt but nothing happened. Joining is mandatory?

bragr 2 years ago

Seems if you put just about any real person, even notable public figures, it pops up as a violation of the content policy, even though their policy doesn't say that explicitly. Perhaps it falls under "Deception, disinformation, and inauthentic activity" or their vague catchall "We prohibit the use of Image Creator for any other activity that significantly harms other individuals, organizations, or society"

I can squint and see why they wouldn't want my "Cowboy Al Gore rolls coal at a tractor pull" but I don't see how "Joe Bidden inauguration but wearing an orange suit" is going to bring down society. It shot me down for "angela merkel toasting beer glasses" despite her doing that all the time.

gcau 2 years ago

Very impressive. I hope we get the ability for "meta" things to work, like asking for a rectangular image, a 16x16 spritesheet, etc. Also, not using Bing search, sorry MS.

  • rchaud 2 years ago

    Is it not possible to request the image to be within specific dimensions or aspect ratio?

  • rchaud 2 years ago

    Any ad revenue resulting from the image generation stuff will still be credited to Bing.

mmanfrin 2 years ago

"Elon Musk" is a banned phrase.

airstrike 2 years ago

inside Bing? hard pass.

emptysongglass 2 years ago

Unlike OpenAI's DALL-E this can't take existing images and transform them which is a bummer. You can give Bing an existing picture but it will analyze it then turn it into a string description which it then feeds into DALL-E 3. Plus it blurs faces. So it's an underpowered version of what paying ChatGPT folks will get.

And as usual, Bing Chat itself seems to suffer from some significantly higher boundaries around its behavior, which really lobotomizes the chat experience compared to "actual" ChatGPT.

  • famouswaffles 2 years ago

    >Unlike OpenAI's DALL-E this can't take existing images and transform them which is a bummer.

    >So it's an underpowered version of what paying ChatGPT folks will get.

    There's no indication the cGPT interface will be doing anything different. If you see the demo, it's clearly generating text for each image at the start.

    Maybe you will be able to inpaint/outpaint from GPT but that's definitely not been confirmed yet

    • emptysongglass 2 years ago

      Except this happens with every product OpenAI has released. Their own homegrown versions always have more features or are less hamstrung. The only place I haven't observed a difference is in the Azure vs OpenAI GPT-4 APIs: those do seem to have parity. Everywhere else OpenAI's version significantly leads.

      • famouswaffles 2 years ago

        >Except this happens with every product OpenAI has released. Their own homegrown versions always have more features or are less hamstrung

        Like ?

        • emptysongglass 2 years ago

          ChatGPT currently has voice conversations for all paying subs.

          DALL-E 2 has inpainting and outpainting.

          Bing Chat vs paid ChatGPT is no contest: the guardrails Microsoft has put around Bing Chat make it a much worse experience.

          I use these products every single day of my life. It's night and day.

          • famouswaffles 2 years ago

            >ChatGPT currently has voice conversations for all paying subs.

            Right and Bing has had that for a bit. Worse voices and not hands off but the TTS is also a new model so it's not like switching is out of the question.

            >DALL-E 2 has inpainting and outpainting

            No one is saying Dalle-3 won't have inpainting/outpainting but there's zero guarantee you will be able to do that from cGPT. You'd think they'd demo that if they were but we'll see.

            Paid users have been stuck on 4k context even though the model has more. Bing has been running the longer context model from the beginning with web page/pdf features. Bing also recently introduced "personalized answers" which is just retrieval augmented memory over all your chats, a feature cGPT really should have had by now.

            • emptysongglass 2 years ago

              > Right and Bing has had that for a bit. Worse voices but the TTS is also a new model so it's not like switching is out of the question

              This is laughable. There's no comparison between the two whatsoever.

              > Bing has been running the longer context model from the beginning with web page/pdf features. Bing also recently introduced "personalized answers" which is just retrieval augmented memory over all your chats, a feature cGPT really should have had by now.

              As I've already stated repeatedly, the performance of the two is night and day. Use your favorite search engine to search for, "why is Bing Chat worse than ChatGPT?". There are pages and pages of results from people using both, just like me, that show the massive disparity between the two.

              Why, exactly, are you starting an argument with me? There's no guarantee OpenAI's DALL-E will get inpainting and outpainting? Why even bother stating such a thing? It appears like you're just casting aspersions for the sake of it.

              • famouswaffles 2 years ago

                >This is laughable. There's no comparison between the two whatsoever.

                The voices are worse now but those voices are also the premium voices you'd currently pay for on azure. So it's not like they were cheaping out.

                >As I've already stated repeatedly, the performance of the two is night and day. Use your favorite search engine to search for, "why is Bing Chat worse than ChatGPT?".

                I use Bing. I don't need to search for anything. Most of those posts are complaining about Bing's character. Being civil solves 90% of your problems.

                >There's no guarantee OpenAI's DALL-E will get inpainting and outpainting?

                Go back and read my man. I said you might not be able to use inpainting from chat GPT.

                It's just really weird to be boasting about a feature you don't know you will have and that they didn't bother to demo but to each their own.

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