Here is my episode with Demis Hassabis, CEO of Google DeepMindWe discuss:* Why scaling is an artform* Adding search, planning, & AlphaZero type training atop LLMs* Making sure rogue nations can't steal weights* The right way to align superhuman AIs and do an intelligence explosionWatch on YouTube. Listen on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, or any other podcast platform. Read the full transcript here. Timestamps() - Nature of intelligence() - RL atop LLMs() - Scaling and alignment() - Timelines and intelligence explosion() - Gemini training() - Governance of superhuman AIs() - Safety, open source, and security of weights() - Multimodal and further progress() - Inside Google DeepMind Get full access to Dwarkesh Podcast at www.dwarkesh.com/subscribe