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Given that the community seemed to prefer geoblocking of access in affected areas, if, say, that the United States (or wherever the servers are) decide to ban/limit adult content online, how would Miraheze proceed? Would Miraheze become liable for even hosting said content? Also, if Miraheze were somehow to get in hot water with somewhere foreign, how would they be able to respond (eg. prosecution, a simple ban, etc)?

Sorry if these questions are a little unclear, I tried my best to word them and I can elaborate on them for any potential commenters. --Zeus, _{aka Blad} ^{(t • c • g)} 04:05, 11 August 2026 (UTC)[reply]

It's definitely an interesting point, especially since the RfC itself made no consideration of changes in source country. Because of server location this could hardly be avoided by geoblocking as has been suggested (to which incidentally I think the servers are in the US, as you say, but cannot remember from where I got that impression).

If the servers are indeed in the US, there should at least be some time between the law passing and the law coming into effect to give

T&S time to consider, or at any rate I would hope so.

Probably also worth noting that according to NA's T&S note on the above RfC, Miraheze is not currently counted as a social media site for the purposes of these laws, so many such might be irrelevant.

Unfortunately I think all we can really do is hope it doesn't come to that and trust T&S to make a good decision if it does.

I hadn't realised this was so long when I was writing it, apologies for the text wall. - Sakurababochka (talk) 07:12, 12 August 2026 (UTC)[reply]

Miraheze is probably cooked if a US federal law breaks things, but it depends on the exact law and its implementation. "Adult" is about as broad as "NSFW" and both are subjective. The worst laws are deliberately vague and menace any reasonable content that offends pansy politician sensibilities. T&S has pretty thoroughly looked at the US federal and broad european landscapes, and has figured we're not in a position to need to fundamentally adjust or be in 'red status' in the immediate future. Where possible even if it might weigh out to block a place, we are inclined towards reasonable accommodation that preserves the general spirit of service. This includes SCREEN and KOSA despite their menacing intentions which would certainly elevate certain risks anyway and bring things closer to an existential concern. It is possible for laws to create such a fragile landscape that a petulant US administration (but we don't have that do we?) would decide meh, fuck your nonprofit status, whoops, now you're fully liable. A reasonable jump to this result is an existential concern to me. I'm not sure we're there but it's coming closer.

Individual US states, especially the state of incorporation could hurt if they did something to make us untenable directly, but can likely be 'rejected' in the worst case if they have an ask that simple tuning cannot reasonably accommodate or, we don't fit a relevant exception. A hit to the place of hosting that would affect content hosted by the company could be existential since we only have so many options, but we'd at least try to find a cost effective alternative. From here out I refer to 'state' to include any nation state, country, US state, international body what have you unless explicitly otherwise.

Ultimately states may decide to apply fines or menace volunteers at any time; this would be weighed into 'how bad is it'. An ISP block or similar technical access ban is the most basic and tbh largely acceptable outcome in most cases where a state tries to impose its will. If it the menace would put active volunteers at threat (slot 'we can't find an affordable spot to relocate hosting' here) then we have a new calculus where we take radical action or we are severely damaged in operations because we lost a critical part of tech or costs are through the roof (likely for any non US hosting). I would say most potential threats are not really global or existential in this way but they are increasingly possible for both the US and the EU. At this point they would both be existential threats to Miraheze even if we could technically incorporate outside of them and then reject the will of one, the other, hypothetically both. The UK is kind of in this category given a deep body of UK-based volunteers, but I am more willing to cut off the UK before considering the Miraheze situation existential. The calculus for countries like China where we cannot reasonably accommodate many of their whims pretty much exists on a basis that there is not an active problem and we don't go out of our way to make one. Many countries are already in this status, a few more have probably joined the list with their draconian measures, parts of the EU and US may also join. But the patchwork can't last forever if this trend continues.

Rejecting broad stretches of legally adult content is an option I am prepared to do with no hesitation if it puts us outside existential threat zone after T&S review. It is not because of a prejudice against hosting such content. I think generally understood adult content has a right to exist and that the right to privacy should exceed playing the 'think of the children' card that people use to guilt draconian laws into existence, and it is worth having this fight early and to the end. But this is an individual position because in my mind Miraheze is unable to reconcile the three principles of

• being as broadly available as possible, at least in the green by federal US and international EU standards and preferably as far beyond as we can manage;
• being privacy friendly by nature including absolute rejection on ID collection of users;
• and hosting content that is too spicy by the sensibilities of an existentially threatening law.

The route I'm seeing may not allow all three to exist at once. An organization that wants to fight the last two at least I think should exist but Miraheze should not be it, not for adult content, and my position on that is absolute. Our nonprofit status is becoming a tool of existential survival so if wiki scope cuts are necessary in order to preserve this as well then I would make that trade. We are not a political advocacy organization nor deep enough in pockets to wage the legal war. We accommodate where possible perhaps with radical cuts to stave existential threat if reasonable is not possible, we reject places if we can, or

I hope this somewhat gives an answer as a train of thought for the logic in these matters. It cannot be answered more cleanly imo, because it all comes down to the exact threat being made in whatever way a law is cobbled together. And if the law is maybe struck down in the near term, and so on.

I think I have Sakurababochka beat on the wall,

--raidarr (💬) 17:06, 12 August 2026 (UTC)[reply]

By quite some way, but it's interesting to see how the decision might flow. - Sakurababochka (talk) 08:51, 15 August 2026 (UTC)[reply]

Hello! I've just sent in a request for a wiki for my worldbuilding project. However, I've never used Miraheze before and as such I was wondering if any more experienced users had advice or tips for building a well-organized and user-friendly wiki. Any tips would be greatly appreciated! Snailtowne (talk) 17:16, 12 August 2026 (UTC)[reply]

In various order of use,

• How-to guides on all sorts of 'how to mediawiki/Miraheze' topics
• wikibooks:MediaWiki User Guide for the basics? There might be friendlier from assorted websites. If you're up to it there is also mw:Help:Contents, but its a lot and not what I'd like to give brand new users upfront. I've always made specialized guides local to a wiki which suggests a need for something more general that is portable, otherwise you too will join the club of writing an introduction page/category/etc.
• User:Raidarr/Wiki recruitment trying to tackle the community building aspect though it doesn't involve UX.
• I have no idea what we have for good user UX guides and how to make specific setups look nicer depend entirely on what skin you use, which is not well-compiled information beyond the MediaWiki pages. A few niches are nibbled in the how-to guides but not comprehensive.
• Organization pretty much comes down to what you think is best as long as it works. But I can tell you something that isn't throwing people at categories is probably good. I like navboxes personally, a good network of those will glue a wiki together nicely.

Pending other answers I will probably try to cobble something together that answers this in one link unless I've catastrophically missed someone already covering ground. --raidarr (💬) 17:59, 12 August 2026 (UTC)[reply]

im trying to get my wiki noticed, is there somewhere I could paste the link? Thank you! https://threesentencesnews.miraheze.org/wiki/Main_Page BigKrow (talk) 21:05, 14 August 2026 (UTC)[reply]

You can list the wiki on Gazetteer of wikis. If the wiki has at least five pages (not counting the main page), you can create a page for it on Miraheze Communities. Harej (talk) 22:34, 14 August 2026 (UTC)[reply]

Bit late, but you could also go to Discord servers/forums that may be interested in your type of wiki and post about it there. 🐙Pawn🐙 (💬Talk💬/✅CentralAuth✅) 22:23, 25 August 2026 (UTC)[reply]

Because FANDOM sucks balls, (and Black60dragon being a corrupt and abusive asshat) is it possible to start a fresh and brand new Dere wiki on Miraheze, one that also features fan based dere types (e.g, deretsuns, tsunderes, bakaderes, etc) and new ones like the nipadere and kakkodere types? I think the best advice is to simplify the aspects and elements of the wiki because of the God forsaken dormancy policy. Can that be done? But it is important to ensure that wisdom, intelligence, virtue, and compassion, are important pillars for administration at heart. Will anyone be up for this task?

https://web.archive.org/web/20251025085028/https://the-dere-types.fandom.com/wiki/Deretsun

https://web.archive.org/web/20251118070156/https://the-dere-types.fandom.com/wiki/Deretsun/Japanese_Characters

https://web.archive.org/web/20250404184351/https://the-dere-types.fandom.com/wiki/Deretsun/Non-Japanese_Characters

https://the-dere-types.fandom.com/wiki/Unofficial:Kakkodere

https://the-dere-types.fandom.com/wiki/Unofficial:Kakkodere/Japanese_Characters

https://the-dere-types.fandom.com/wiki/Unofficial:Kakkodere/Non-Japanese_Characters

https://the-dere-types.fandom.com/wiki/Western:Nipadere

https://the-dere-types.fandom.com/wiki/Western:Nipadere/Japanese_Characters

https://the-dere-types.fandom.com/wiki/Western:Nipadere/Non-Japanese_Characters ToxicHolyGrenade (talk) 17:55, 15 August 2026 (UTC)[reply]

I suppose if someone feels like it they could make a request and I don't see a policy reason for rejection to a properly articulated request, otherwise I doubt this is the optimal place to locate a member of that community who'd be interested and also meet whatever expectations you have on top. Given the attitude of the post I would also wonder how receptive someone would be to a collaboration. It does not read as an overly compassionate approach at least. --raidarr (💬) 20:57, 19 August 2026 (UTC)[reply]

Because Black60dragon has kept on banning me for simply debating with him over deretsun and how it has been handled on the wiki. Not only that, he has a tendency to delete my messages as a way of destroying the evidence. I don't even remember what exactly I did wrong but regardless, this shows complete and utter cowardice on his part. This would be the equivalent, of corrupt cops being present in the court room withholding evidence from the judge in case they themselves get caught out. If he is a good admin, then he'd be transparent and leave the comments there to prove whether or not I am guilty. If the comments promote general bigotry, as well as downright lies, then yeah, there should be grounds for deleting them, but I never did either of those things from what I can obviously remember. I just have no faith or respect for internet administration as a profession status, because this power abuse BS occurs far too often. If that's not entirely true, then show me. I am still yet to come across an admin who is of good faith, doesn't abuse his/her power, is not biased in any way, has virtue, and is guided by unfiltered wisdom. But so far, I haven't come across any.

Sorry for the rant, but that's how I feel about internet administrators. I don't want to generalise and tar all admins of the same brush, but because there are too many examples of corruption and abuse with internet and wiki admins, I have an extremely low opinion of them until something is done to make such positions of power far more accountable. Plus, other admins don't even call out other admins if they do wrong, and even if they do, they do it out of self-preservation and saving face. It is also why I am still very unhappy with FANDOM on how they haven't brought fourth policies for wiki admins to follow across the board, otherwise they'd face very harsh consequences like having their status stripped away and facing bans like anyone else.

So that's what happened... ToxicHolyGrenade (talk) 22:04, 28 August 2026 (UTC)[reply]

There's not really a point in trying to disprove an approach like that imo, it seems like a pretty strong, impossibly to thoroughly shake assertion and there are other ways to spend that energy. Its a tall hill indeed for someone to step up to be the latest internet administrator in context of the OP. I just always have to wonder about the type of person who comes in with that type of contempt, as someone who for lack of a better word often babysits adults with no expectation of compensation while separately engaged in full time work. More than once I have found out the true nature of the type when it was applied to something I was involved in, and color me not terribly shocked how such people somehow happened to draw the worst from everyone they came across. But on the other hand reddit mod syndrome is definitely real. I personally cannot claim to be unbiased in any way by many miles, am not always blessed with the highest of confidence (I'm something of a people skeptic myself though I'd rather see someone 'shake out' before making a call on their nature), and can only dream of being a fountain of unfiltered wisdom when half the time I have to go lengths to not make myself out to be an imbecile, but I would at least like to say my exercise on the levers of power tends to be more fair than not. Although I suppose it is a matter of perspective, and the subjects of locks and blocks at my hands would tend to disagree.

If nothing else I believe in the principle of handing over the rope and let the other guy do what they will with it, in other words short of comments that are just pure slurs and abuse marring up the commons, I'm inclined to let people make a fool of themselves and use that alone as reinforcement when they are removed. It reduces the problem you describe because I can regularly refer to the blockworthy behavior in its original or at least easily available form, and I don't like scenarios that are I said-they said arguments. So in that sense I tend to agree with your approach there assuming the margins where some content simply shouldn't stand are not beyond acceptability. And since the admin you describe I guess left nothing for reference, it is a word vs word argument only. Never a very pleasant place to be in.

I'm not sure how much more Miraheze intervenes relative to Fandom but Miraheze does give a pretty large range of liberty to local management even if we disagree, it takes some pretty egregious misuse for us to give someone a bap. It has happened and I have gone as far as to depose admins over it, but it is very rare.

So I guess that is the rant coming from the other side of the table from me, just my 2c.

--raidarr (💬) 23:06, 28 August 2026 (UTC)[reply]

On Meta:Community portal there is a Request for Feedback titled "Request for Feedback: Meta request & noticeboard protections, with small tangents", which may be of interest if you are interested in Meta things but don't frequent that board, or to provide additional comment on a similar position for Commons or for IP editing more widely in case there is any clear current of thought on these topics to further discuss. --raidarr (💬) 14:33, 20 August 2026 (UTC)[reply]