Eh, let's reserve "slur" for things that actually are designed to discriminate against people. This is clearly a term designed to describe dissatisfaction and annoyance, not a pejorative against a class.
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They are slurs. People are already calling others things like "clanker lover", the parallels to racism are obvious. "Slop fetishist" also comes to mind: that one was leveled at me on this very site, on a thread you participated in.
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the parallels to racism are obvious
I strongly disagree. Saying, in whatever terms, that loving a machine is bad is not in any way like saying that loving a person is bad.
Accusing someone of loving LLMs is no worse than accusing them of loving Microsoft Windows, and saying that either of those things is similar to racism is, frankly, offensive.
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Irrelevant. Whether it's a machine or a human, it makes no difference whatsoever. The phrase is obviously meant to foment prejudice against users of LLM technology.
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"Clanker" is barely a slur, given that it does not refer to sentient beings. But I can agree that your examples are slurs. Whether they're objectionable or not I'd say is an open question, wrapped up in peoples' beliefs about the ethics of LLMs.
Putting aside the particulars here, though - is it your opinion that "slurs" are intrinsically bad as such? I can think of a few that I don't mind, when they are used accurately.
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Pre-judging someone else based on LLM use is prejudice. People are already posting, in this very thread, project blacklists based purely on LLM use, as if it made them automatically bad. Normalizing slurs will only encourage that sort of behavior.
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Prejudice is pre-judging someone without just grounds. I think people - in this very thread! - believe that LLM usage alone is just grounds to judge a project. Maybe you disagree with that, but it's not an argument being made in a vacuum. There are reasons.
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Prejudice is a "preconceived judgment or opinion". Justification has nothing to do with it.
I don't agree with many of the points raised in that link, but even if I were to grant all of them for the sake of argument, it still wouldn't justify any conclusions about any particular project or the people involved.
General objections to the AI corporations do not automatically imply that any particular project is low quality, that its developers are incompetent, or anything of the sort.
Yet that is precisely the notion that these slurs reinforce: that it's all "slop" made by "vibecoders", "clanker lovers" and "slop fetishists".
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People used to use slurs against other people on the same argument; that they weren't people.
Not that I argue LLMs are or aren't, but the usage of Clanker is extremely problematic in almost all contexts and a lot of people seem to enjoy using it as a way to roleplay a persona that would be problematic if they were using other slurs. But this one is okay, because it's only a computer, I guess. Something being a slur doesn't, IMO, depend on the target being a person or not, it depends on intent and how it's being used.
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the usage of Clanker is extremely problematic in almost all contexts
Can you explain why? I don't see it. I call my car a clunker, and don't currently see how calling a bad program or robot a clanker is really any different.
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I don't agree with declaring "clanker" to be a slur when it's applied to software. If the piece were calling a human a clanker, sure. But it isn't.
Saying that software is bad can't be a slur, IMO. You can't slur a set of machine instructions.
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You can just say that software is bad, you don't have to involve slurs into that.
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"clanker" is no more a slur than "bad" when applied to software.
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Now you're saying "clanker" sounds like a slur but isn't? So why did you call it a slur?
(To be clear, I don't think it even sounds like a slur. Because you can't slur software or robots.)
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I have not said that and you're reaching for some weird conclusions. You have argued that it's not a slur in context, which is what the mentioned video makes fun of and points out that context doesn't matter because it's still a slur.
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I guess I didn't understand the video reference, then. Because the wikipedia link said that "clanker" refers to bad robots and software. Everything in the video was only a slur if about humans.
And you can't slur robots and software.
There's no context needed.
The definition of the term applies it to machines or programs. The linked article is for programs.
Nobody is calling a person a clanker and discriminating against them on that basis. There is no slur here. It's nonsensical to suggest that there is, unless I'm completely missing some reasoning.
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Nobody is ... discriminating against them on that basis.
People using AI are literally banned from entire projects and communities.
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Nonsense. Using AI is bad behavior. That bad behavior is banned from entire projects and communities. People who show up and do it anyway can earn bans, as well.
This is no more discrimination than businesses who say you're not allowed to carry a gun onto their property. If you keep your gun away from the property, you won't be banned. If you bring it anyway, they'll ban you.
Using AI is not your identity. It's a behavior that you're choosing to engage in. Not being welcome in a community or a project because of a behavior that you choose is not the same as being discriminated against because of who you are.
And again, it is offensive to compare it to identity-based discrimination. The two are not remotely similar!
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How do you feel about "Enshittification"?
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As far as I know, that term has never been in use towards humans or other living(?) entities and doesn't have any roots in derogatory categorization based on unchangeable or imposed characteristics (e.g. inherent body type/differences, prosthetics/medical modifications, etc.).
It's almost exclusively referred to platform decay and I share the sentiment whenever it happens, as long as it's not used in bad faith (example from experience: someone opened PR called "enshittification" to a project I maintain to remove Matrix room links which were locked down due to spam, and the only other form of chat available was Discord).
That being said I don't really turn to specific terms like that, if something is bad I will say it's bad or "shit" - but also because it's harder to read/write "enshittification". If you feel it's more succinct to use such term, go for it.