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What is it about the financial sector that encourages bad behavior?

scientificamerican.com

72 points by tangerine_beet 11 years ago · 21 comments

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jmcohen 11 years ago

One reason why bankers might become more dishonest after being primed to think about their jobs is that being a good banker, like being a good used-car salesman, often requires dishonesty.

I’m thinking of a scene from the (non-fiction) book Liar’s Poker where an investment bank finds itself stuck holding a bunch of bonds whose value is rapidly declining. Does the firm swallow the loss? Of course not! Management tells the sales team that priority #1 is unloading the low-quality bonds onto the bank’s gullible customers at an inflated price.

Another example that might hit closer-to-home here is that of equities analysts on Wall Street during the .com bubble who became unreasonably bullish on certain tech companies in order to gin up IPO business for their firms’ profitable mergers/acquisitions divisions.

In banking, the interests of the firm and the customer are often misaligned, and, well, it’s not the customer who's going to pay the banker’s bonus.

drinkyouroj 11 years ago

Interesting article, but I'm not entirely sure I agree with the author's attempt to explain the findings of the original study.

The paper upon which this article is based is really cool, because it scientifically confirms something that many people (myself included) already believed: mere participation in our financial industry leads to a certain degree of moral corruption. However, the author of this article goes on to make the case that the cause of such endemic dishonesty is the focus on money and number crunching required in banking.

The author's evidence seems reasonable, but doesn't match up with the original study: banking employees that work in industry "support units" (e.g., HR or risk management) showed the same tend towards dishonesty as those working in "core" units (private bankers, asset managers, etc.) This issue is directly addressed in the original study. The author's thesis suggests that working more directly with numbers/money would cause a higher degree of dishonesty, but the paper points out: "the treatment effect in core units is similar and statistically indistinguishable from the support units."

There's something more complex at work in our banking system.

  • im3w1l 11 years ago

    Or the study was just not adequately powered to discover a difference. Haven't actually read it so just throwing it out there.

inthewoods 11 years ago

Banking culture is unique in that it seems completely willing to burn customers - I can't think of any other businesses that have this so embedded in their approach. Imagine a company like Zendesk, where, at the end of the year, they suddenly charged their clients an additional $5k on their credit card just because they had it on file.

And yet people and companies continue to do business with them. If a company like Goldman approached me about doing a deal on a credit swap, I'd assume I'm going to get the shaft - but large pension companies continue to work with them.

Of course, this is a generalization - there are honest people in the finance industry, but they tend to be in roles where the incentives, again, are aligned with their clients. I'm thinking RIAs and companies like Vanguard.

  • pktgen 11 years ago

    > And yet people and companies continue to do business with them. If a company like Goldman approached me about doing a deal on a credit swap, I'd assume I'm going to get the shaft - but large pension companies continue to work with them.

    This is what I've always wondered: how the hell do companies like Goldman still exist and get business?

    • inthewoods 11 years ago

      To a large extent, I think it is because there are very few companies that can deal with the complexity of, say, going public or writing CDS contracts. So to a certain extent people, particularly large clients with billions under management, don't have much choice.

w_t_payne 11 years ago

There is another cultural norm that is prevalent in the financial industry leads (IMHO) to dishonesty. It is an incredibly competitive industry, reliant on a small(ish) number of very well remunerated individuals.

These individuals are put under immense pressure to perform flawlessly. Any mistakes are picked up on very quickly and a perceived weakness can cause the wolves to circle in an instant. There is no incentive to come clean about mistakes, and immense pressure to cover-up and hide any weaknesses or errors.

You can't avoid human fallibility. If you expect perfection, all you get is lies and deceit. The only way to truly outperform is to institutionalise openness, continual improvement, and learning from our mistakes.

  • webnrrd2k 11 years ago

    That sounds a lot like medicine, and a lot of other professional services.

    • bashinator 11 years ago

      And in medicine, and aviation, and civil engineering, the regulators have teeth because the stakes are so high.

      But, there's also a culture of not blaming the lowest-common-denominator employee when there are problems. To the best of my knowledge, the FAA and NTSB explicitly don't blame any individuals when putting together post-mortem incident reports. That's specifically to avoid creating the culture of ducking responsibility that GP was talking about.

known 11 years ago

Higher social class predicts increased unethical behavior

http://www.pnas.org/cgi/doi/10.1073/pnas.1118373109

CyberDildonics 11 years ago

A system of incentives will see people act in line with those incentives. If you have heavy incentives to be dishonest, people's actions will be bent towards dishonesty.

  • inthewoods 11 years ago

    Also, if there is little-to-no punishment for dishonest behavior, then those incentives to be dishonest are enhanced.

MaysonL 11 years ago

There's an old saying: "The fish stinks from the head down."

A players hire A players.

Cheats hire cheats.

tzs 11 years ago

The actual title of the article is "Banking Culture Encourages Dishonesty". There is no question mark at the end.

I point this out because many times people assume that a headline that is in the form of a question means that the answer is "no", and the author is trying to make it sound like there is some question to get people to read. E.g., if you were reporting on an expedition that searched for and failed to find Bigfoot, no one is going to be interested if the headline is "Bigfoot not found", so you write it as "Bigfoot found?". If the expedition had found Bigfoot, you would have written "Bigfoot found!" which would pull in a lot more readers.

There are some pretty interesting things in this article, so it would be a shame if people skipped it because of that incorrectly added question mark.

  • zorrb 11 years ago

    Thanks for clarifying. That's exactly what I think whenever I see a headline like that and skip the article.

  • dang 11 years ago

    I missed that point about the semantics of the question mark. We just got rid of it by changing the title to the subtitle, which is somewhat less provocative and probably should have been used in the first place.

  • batemanesque 11 years ago

    worth noting that the HN admins often silently change submission titles so the poster wasn't necessarily responsible for this

    • dang 11 years ago

      We added the question mark. We sometimes do that when a title makes a highly controversial claim. Otherwise the threads tend to turn into discussions about how the HN title is misleading.

      I usually post a comment about this but it was late and I was impatient.

  • alexqgb 11 years ago

    "Betteridge's law of headlines is an adage that states: 'Any headline which ends in a question mark can be answered by the word no.' "

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Betteridge's_law_of_headlines

    • lotsofmangos 11 years ago

      lotsofmangos' Law of Headlines:

      "Any online article with a headline which ends in a question mark that has comments enabled, will eventually result in a thread regarding 'Betteridge's Law of Headlines'"

      edit - thankfully, my version will not become as popular

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