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Wikimedia Foundation now accepts Bitcoin

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120 points by kouiskas 11 years ago · 27 comments

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jdfellow 11 years ago

Two thoughts:

1) About time! You'd have thought a crowdsourced open source software community would have adopted Bitcoin sooner.

2) Why does the Coinbase donation form require my email and mailing address? Just give me a QR code.

  • deweller 11 years ago

    If this donation is tax deductible, I expect it is so they can send you a receipt.

    Still, an anonymous option would be nice.

    • _delirium 11 years ago

      They also are legally required to collect donor information for donations above $1,000 [1]. Mostly this is to ensure that nonprofits aren't playing weird games with funneling money around, e.g. being registered as a 501(c)(3) charity but actually being funded mainly by one person who also controls the board/spending.

      Maybe they can rework the donation flow so it allows anonymous donations below that limit? But if that has the effect of making large donations seem different/weird/complicated, it might be counterproductive: you have to get a lot of extra $5 donations to make up for a single lost $10,000 donation. I'm no UI/flow expert though so maybe there's a good way of doing it. There are basically three cases that would need to be worked in: 1) above $1,000, information is mandatory; 2) between $250 and $1,000, information is not mandatory but must be entered if the donor is American and wants a receipt that would enable them to deduct it; 3) below $250, receipts aren't necessary for tax deduction so donor information isn't needed at all.

      [1] More precisely, they're required to report all donors who gave more than $5,000 cumulatively in a given year (or possibly a higher threshold for very large organizations), which requires keeping a running sum of per-donor totals. Except that as a concession to ease of recordkeeping, individual donations below $1,000 do not need to be included in the total, and therefore I believe (?) could be accepted anonymously. Or so I read the IRS's guidelines, but IANACPA; see Form 990 Schedule B or your local accountant specializing in nonprofit law for details.

      • avar 11 years ago

        How are you going to ensure that you're legally compliant with "only $X per-year per-person" unless you keep track of who's making every Bitcoin donation to you?

        If you don't do that you could trivially go over the limit by just donating >$X over multiple Bitcoin transactions.

coryking 11 years ago

You mean, "Wikimedia now uses Coinbase as another payment provider to collect US currency for donations"?

  • hayksaakian 11 years ago

    Imagine they accepted Japanese Yen instead of Bitcoin.

    They would still convert it to USD, but would your opinion still make sense?

    • runeks 11 years ago

      When I used to donate previously, my DKK were converted to USD. But I still use DKK every day.

  • dublinben 11 years ago

    It's that you can donate in BTC that matters, not that they're exchanging it for USD.

    • onestone 11 years ago

      It matters. Automatically exchanging large amounts of BTC for USD creates a downward pressure on the BTC exchange rate.

      Organizations which truly support Bitcoin would choose to keep it.

      • mrb 11 years ago

        If what you said was true the exchange rate would have collapsed in the last 2 years (BitPay and Coinbase accumulated 60,000+ merchants who began accepting Bitcoin over the last 2 years and most of them automatically convert BTC to USD). But instead, the exchange rate rose from $10 to $580: http://bitcoincharts.com/charts/bitstampUSD#rg730ztgSzm1g10z...

        Why? Because as Bitcoin is accepted in more and more places, it increases its subjective value, so more and more people are looking to get some bitcoins, which counterbalances the downward selling pressure.

        • onestone 11 years ago

          I'm not sure why you disagree. Of course there are multiple factors and some of them counterbalance. And of course what I mentioned is just one of these factors.

        • farmdve 11 years ago

          The price rose primarily because of the Willy bot, aka Mark Karpeles artificially inflating the price. Read the willy report.

          • mrb 11 years ago

            You cannot claim the current ~$600 level is still due to Willy. Willy stopped running 6 months ago, so the market has already corrected itself by now.

          • freework 11 years ago

            Willy wasn't the only reason bitcoin bubbled a few months ago

      • MarcusVorenus 11 years ago

        Baby steps. Maybe an employee will ask to be paid partly in BTC which I'm sure they'll be happy to oblige to avoid the conversion fees.

      • spikyobjects 11 years ago

        Organizations which truly support Bitcoin would choose to spend it, not hoard it.

        • onestone 11 years ago

          Spend it for products or services - sure. Immediately exchange all of it for a fiat currency - not so much.

Two9A 11 years ago

I remember that there were multiple userbase attempts to lobby Wikimedia for this in the past. Looks like Coinbase's recent partnering successes have made the difference, in this case at least.

  • nullc 11 years ago

    Some of these "userbase" attempts involved doing some things that people perceived as unethical (e.g. bribes) and caused damage that took effort to undo.

ToastyMallows 11 years ago

Where is their address, how do I just send them bitcoins?

orn 11 years ago

I started BTC donation, but they ask you for your name and address... what! Anyway I found out you can go through with a bogus name and address.

  • davidgerard 11 years ago

    I find myself unsurprised that the very first reaction of Bitcoin fans to this is to complain.

thisjepisje 11 years ago

At the time of the last fundraising round I was quite surprised that they didn't accept bitcoin. Good news.

deweller 11 years ago

Looks like coinbase.com is not loading at the moment. Is it conceivable that this crashed their site?

  • wyager 11 years ago

    Interestingly, it seems to prevent BIP 0070 from working properly, although the payment went through fine.

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