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64 points by PButcher93 13 years ago · 32 comments

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Nux 13 years ago

This is nicer: http://migrationsmap.net/

Anyway, both sites use pretty obsolete data by now.

adaml_623 13 years ago

The table is pretty but it doesn't sort permanent versus temporary movements. For example I don't think the 1 million Pakistanis who've emigrated to Saudi Arabia will be allowed to get citizenship and settle which is quite different to other countries.

  • redwood 13 years ago

    This is a good point and perhaps the reverse case: e.g. immigrants who have become citizens, would be even more interesting. For example the % of Americans foreign born is higher than this (I believe) but many have already received citizenship and are presumably not counted here.

adaml_623 13 years ago

Adding in a table of the countries with the most emi/imigrants by proportion of the population would be useful.

I thought Afghanistan had a high emigrant figure - 8%

BUT New Zealand has 14% !

  • notahacker 13 years ago

    >10% of the Kiwi population went to their culturally-similar neighbour with a much better economy. Similar story with >15% of the Irish emigrating, mostly to less-economically-dire Britain (although there's a long established Irish exodus tradition), and for that matter the >1.2 million Brits off to Australia.

    I expect most of these migrations won't be permanent, and these stats probably include a large proportion on 1 year working visas.

    • vickytnz 13 years ago

      Yeah, and a key thing missing from these graphs is ease of movement. As far as I know, Australia is about the only country Kiwis can move to for work without requiring a visa, whereas the UK is getting stricter and stricter each year as it looks towards the EU rather than the Commonwealth.

  • theblab 13 years ago

    The figures for palestine are insane. Population: 2,514,845 Immigrants: 1,923,808 Emigrants: 3,017,140

rrreese 13 years ago

Interestingly, both the UK and Russia are top destinations for people to both go to and leave.

Also there seem to be almost as many people leaving Russia to go to the Ukraine as leaving Ukraine to go to Russia. Any one have any idea why this would be?

  • notahacker 13 years ago

    In Russia's case there's no real anomaly: it's one of the most populous countries in the world anyway and has a lot of ex-USSR family and historic ties to the surrounding countries. Throw in the sort of political problems and business opportunities on both sides of the borders that might further incentivise migration.

    The UK has strong historic connections with the rest of the world that are reflected in relatively generous reciprocal visa arrangements, strong family ties and dreams to move here. Europeans can easily move backwards and forwards as job opportunities come and go, and usually speak good English these days. People from South Asian and Caribbean have strong family connections as well as economic incentives to migrate here. On the other hand, we have a strong economic incentive to take higher paying jobs in Australia (with young people getting automatic work visas for a year in advance of any attempts to secure a job) or the US, which is probably a little less unsympathetic towards Anglophone countries and qualifications when it comes to handing the visas out.

  • HistoryInAction 13 years ago

    Not sure about the permanence of the moves being tracked by the site, but the Eastern Ukraine has a lot of cultural overlap with Russia (see: Yanukovych's base of support) and has a booming natural gas economy that is fairly dominated by Gazprom. As a result, there's a lot of back and forth travel for extended periods of time by mid-level execs and families.

  • redwood 13 years ago

    Probably similar to the way many New Yorkers move to Pennsylvania and many Pennsylvanians move to NY each year.

    But perhaps in the UK case: we'd probably see that those leaving tend to be retirees whereas those coming are coming to work!

  • Cogito 13 years ago

    I have no idea if this is related, but I remember reading something a while back about how hard this type of data is to interpret.

    A poignant example was given, describing how an entire city might switch countries, for example from Ukraine to Russia (and maybe back again?), and how that is a difficult situation to deal with.

    Do the entire occupants of that city count as emigrants? What if they then decide to move back across the border? What happens if the city moves back a year later?

    In any case, I don't know if there are issue like that here, but I would not be surprised if there were.

  • rythie 13 years ago

    It appears that in the UK people come for the posperity/jobs and people born in the UK leave because of the weather - or at least that's what the press here in the UK say.

lifeisstillgood 13 years ago

Interestingly there was a discussion over Bill Gate's measuring teachers report with heated debate about the right graph to choose (scatterplots vs xxx)

I like this and it is interesting information, but sorry, the "right" graphic to use here is the Mercator projection. I have to scroll down a long way to see which country people leave Azerbijan for (Russia).

But the data is interesting.

And its a helluva lot harder to code what I want :-)

  • diziet 13 years ago

    Why the Mercator projection specifically? It's a map projection for navigation purposes. What makes sense is for the right/left column to re-arrange itself by size once you click on a corresponding country.

  • archangel_one 13 years ago

    I'd argue that the Mercator projection is not the right projection if you want to show the entire world. The distortion introduced over large areas is fairly extreme, and I think relative geographical sizes are fairly important for displaying that kind of graphic.

    • snogglethorpe 13 years ago

      > The distortion introduced over large areas is fairly extreme

      Yeah, but the areas which are most distorted are also usually the least populated, by a long shot, so it may be just fine for showing anything related to people... sure Greenland's way too huge, but, well, meh...

  • roel_v 13 years ago

    "but sorry, the "right" graphic to use here is the Mercator projection."

    Maybe I'm just not understanding you, but this doesn't make sense to me. The site doesn't even show a map, what does the Mercator projection have to do with it?

    • lifeisstillgood 13 years ago

      The data is number of people migrating from country X to country Y - so click on a country on the map of the world (Mercator Projection) and see lines appear linking UK with all the countries where people have emigrated.

  • andrewcooke 13 years ago

    another alternative (easier to program, but not the "natural" representation) would be to put the data in a circle and use the same location for both arrival and departure. i did something similar for package dependencies - the code is offline now, but you can see a screenshot at http://acooke.org/portfolio/practicl/

nodata 13 years ago

Nice. I'd sort the "Migrant destinations" by number, and add a key for what each colour means.

rheide 13 years ago

Very nice information, but how about laying this out horizontally instead of vertically? The to/from lines are hard to follow if the destination country is three full screens away.

powertower 13 years ago

It's intresting to note that something like 15% of Mexico's entire population has moved into the USA.

I'm note sure I've seen such a massive exodus like that before.

maayank 13 years ago

What's the period illustrated? Is it emigrants per year?

dragthor 13 years ago

On the peoplemov.in site I did not see the word "legal" anywhere? Did I miss it?

iusable 13 years ago

This is exactly what I was looking for over the past week or so! Great work.

redwood 13 years ago

An interesting take-away: The US is the only 'western' country with a significant East Asian demographic. I'm particularly surprised to see that Philippines come in 3rd to the US After Mexicans and Chinese. Perhaps related to the US military base history there?

swah 13 years ago

Clicking on the names of the countries doesn't do anything for me.

largesse 13 years ago

It's interesting. It looks like people in the Russian Federation can't make up their minds about Ukraine and Kazakhstan. Lots of movement, near zero net.

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