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318 points by xonery a day ago · 104 comments

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dtagames 19 hours ago

For a no hacks alternative, I built TV Explorer. It puts the channel's published HLS stream into your browser with no interim steps. Uses the public GitHub list of more than 10,000 free channels.

https://tvexplorer.live

  • ssl-3 18 hours ago

    That is an unbelievably slick thing that you've got there.

    It feels very light-weight, it's approximately instantly-responsive. Back button works. I don't understand the stats (or my contribution to them), but whatever.

    (the closed-captioning pop-up causes some overlay issues for me, though)

    moar edit: Upon further review with my very not-special desktop box, I'm reasonably confident that this is the quickest, most-responsive "TV-watching" experience I've had since analog NTSC left the scene ~eons ago. It's fast like switching from channel 11 to channel 13 used to be with the very quickest and most well-behaved of tuners.

    What aren't you doing that everyone else is doing?

    • dtagames 7 hours ago

      Thank you so much! What a nice thing to hear.

      The short version is that it uses my own engine, called Watson. I used to work for a small game studio inside a big company and my specialty was tooling. I had built my own before I started there and when they shutdown, it evolved into Watson[0].

      It's lightweight because it's a static site with no server, it has no spying code or SDKs, and it puts the broadcasters HLS stream URL directly into a <video> element in your browser with minimal intervention.

      [0] https://watsonengine.io

    • ninkendo 9 hours ago

      > Back button works

      Maybe a little too well... I tried a whole bunch of channels to get an idea of which ones work, and my history was too full to get out of the site. Maybe every channel change doesn't need to push to your history list.

      • dtagames 7 hours ago

        Very good point. Thank you, and I'll put a limit on it. 10?

      • michaelmrose 7 hours ago

        Generally filling up the buffer is fine. It's perfectly normal that after viewing a certain number of documents one has to manually decide where to go.

        You know what you need. A button that goes back but instead of going to the prior document goes to the first document with a different domain than the current one.

        • ninkendo 7 hours ago

          Yeah, I'm not convinced it's really the site's fault... I can understand the logic of wanting the back button to go back a channel, but also I generally want to go "out" of a page when I hit the back button, so there's no real one-size-fits-all answer.

          But speaking only for myself, if history.pushState was removed from my browser I would probably be happier in the end. JavaScript SPA's abuse it 10x more often than they use it appropriately, I'd rather that if you're an SPA anyway, you implement your own in-app navigation and let my browser's mean "get me out of this app". Lord knows SPA's already reinvent every other web standard, why not one more...

    • SoftTalker 7 hours ago

      Looks potentially very nice but the majority of the channels I tried were "blocked in my area or not broadcasting"

      • dtagames 7 hours ago

        Thanks for the feedback and I'm sorry that happened. Because the data comes from a public GitHub list of channels, the app has no way to know what will be geoblocked for you (or not) or actually online at the moment (or not) until you try to tune it -- very much like an old analog TV.

        But... TV Explorer does keep track of what's tunable (with status lights down the left column) and also lets you scan in the background to find the ones that are live for you right now.

        https://tvexplorer.live/help/25-things-18

        • SoftTalker 5 hours ago

          Thanks, I'll play with it a bit more.

        • pessimizer 2 hours ago

          Magnificent thing you made, and the scanning is awesome. My problem is that it seems that I can't put more than one filter of the same type on i.e. (Spanish AND English), and if I switch between languages within the filter, the scan is reset.

    • mschuster91 15 hours ago

      > What aren't you doing that everyone else is doing?

      Seems to be the fact that there's no advertising, tracking or other SDKs and the entire JS is contained in two files.

  • liquidnitrogen1 16 hours ago

    I think https://tv.garden/ has more channels than your especially if i look at Japan

  • jusonchan81 18 hours ago

    This is incredible! It loaded so fast on my mobile and I’m able to watch channels from all over. Amazing stuff man. It requires a thread of its own

  • drewrbaker 16 hours ago

    This as a Jellyfin plugin would be awesome!

  • mcmoebius 3 hours ago

    that's INCREDIBLE! thanks so much for creating and sharing this!

  • nickzelei 6 hours ago

    This is probably the nicest IPTV site I’ve ever seen, nice work!!

  • boromi 17 hours ago

    very cool. How would have this on actual TV? Load it in the built in browser?

  • supersparrow 8 hours ago

    This is amazing! Can this be self hosted?

    • dtagames 7 hours ago

      It is a static site that doesn't require a server and can be hosted anywhere.

  • liamwire 18 hours ago

    This is fantastic, as others have said. Could you talk a bit about how it's so wonderfully fast?

  • nchagnet 17 hours ago

    This is such a high quality TV viewing experience, I really love it! Amazing work!

  • sharts 5 hours ago

    dis sum good stuff

  • normie3000 15 hours ago

    Just stays on the loading screen for me (Safari, iOS 26).

  • jarym 15 hours ago

    Love it

inigyou 12 hours ago

This situation where bots have to run a headless browser in a new profile is just stupid. Can we have the old internet back? Please? Cloudflare you're not stopping bots, you're just wasting effort on both sides while siphoning access logs and passwords to the NSA.

hperrin 18 hours ago

> I built it because I couldn't cast web video from my laptop to my TV: no Chromecast, no AirPlay.

Looks like Claude built it.

  • xoneryOP 11 hours ago

    Claude helped me out for sure, i'm not a DLNA or FFMPEG beast, but i solved a problem I had and that's what matters. If it solved a problem you have, even better.

    • haaz 10 hours ago

      Yeah don't listen to HN dorks. Unless youve handwritten the code using Mayan virgin blood on papyrus scrolls they will complain.

      • goodmythical an hour ago

        Dude didn't even harvest the quill himself. Back in my day you had to track a bird for hours just praying they'd drop a feather so you didn't have to actually catch the thing. Of course, the Smith family had a bow, so you'd maybe borrow a bow but then you were praying you didn't lose or break the arrow because then you're out the labor for the quill you didn't get AND the arrow!

    • sgt 10 hours ago

      "Helped me build" usually means it was vibe coded AI slop.

      • fortyseven 9 hours ago

        Did the app work?

        • goda90 8 hours ago

          While I think responsible use of AI coding tools is possible, "working" is a low bar for software. Does it accomplish the intended function securely, performantly, with reasonable error handling?

  • yard2010 17 hours ago

    You're absolutely right and let me be honest about the honest load-bearing smoking-gun you point at.

    • dimator 16 hours ago

      That's the core tension — and you're right to call it out! Let me walk back my claims.

  • simondotau 14 hours ago

    I'm pretty sure it was built by a compiler, using libraries provided by Google and others. Until Claude can directly output machine code packaged for distribution, it's just another middleman between the source of intent (the human) and the final deliverable.

    </sarcasm, mostly>

krackers 21 hours ago

I thought the whole point of turnstile was that it detects headless browsers and it's supposed to be "difficult" to bypass. Apparently this just simulates clicking on the checkmark. Is it really that easy?

  • inigyou 12 hours ago

    The point of Turnstile is to sell a warm fuzzy feeling of security to website owners, block Tor users who don't enable JavaScript, and convince website owners to give a copy of all their traffic to the NSA for free.

    Actual security is barely relevant except to the extent that if it doesn't add any security, the NSA might get worried that people will stop using Cloudflare.

    Fake security - number of blocked users, which Cloudflare calls "bots" regardless of whether they're people or bots - is used in Cloudflare marketing.

  • jeroenhd 14 hours ago

    With the right simulated events, a headless browser becomes indistinguishable from a real browser without platform detection. It's not hard to figure out that these headless browsers are running a software renderer on Linux. In time, they're just going to have to detect Linux users and force them to fill out one or multiple challenges if workarounds like these keep getting used.

    The checkbox is just a small part of what the checks are doing. It's monitoring everything the browser is doing and how the browser is responding to certain events up until you tick the checkbox, at which point it determines if you need one of those "are you human" challenges or if you can pass without interruption, based on how bot-like you are.

  • KomoD 21 hours ago

    > was that it detects headless browsers

    > Apparently this just simulates clicking on the checkmark

    Not just that. It also spoofs a bunch of browser stuff.

    A standard headless browser will probably get flagged.

  • bob1029 14 hours ago

    People have been automating WoW for a generation using things like peripherals duct taped to oscillating fans despite multi-million dollar budgets designed to defeat things far more sophisticated than this.

    I would think of headless browser automation in exactly the same way you would about cheating in FPS video games. The red team always has the initiative and can win if they want to spend enough time and money.

  • Saris 21 hours ago

    If you can make the browser pass all the other checks going on in the background, clicking the checkmark is all that's left.

  • xoneryOP 21 hours ago

    Yes, kindof…

slg 20 hours ago

Usually piracy software tries to maintain a little plausible deniability, but here this is suggesting it will help you stream this weekend's newly released $250m blockbuster.

  • inigyou 12 hours ago

    I suppose it searches your configured sources for that movie and comes back "not found"

    Stremio does this. Stremio is a legal application that finds media from any configured plugin. You're supposed to add the illegal Torrentio plugin to automatically pirate media. By doing it this way, most development can take place in public.

    A similar situation exists with the emulator Azahar and the illegal fork Azahar Plus which can automatically decrypt games.

    Edit: lolno this project just has pirate sites built into it

  • devindotcom 20 hours ago

    the interface shows the top movies right now on https://www.themoviedb.org/

  • some-guy 20 hours ago

    I’m not against piracy but the initial pitch made it seem like it’s more purely for trying to cast streams embedded in websites that you already are visiting and/or have access to, of which do not “allow” you to cast, or for whatever reason only work on a laptop and not on something like AirPlay. But the LLM-slop description of “random websites” in addition to the option for a TVDB API key confuse me as to what the actual focus is here.

  • quantummagic 19 hours ago

    It could just be streaming the trailer.

stef25 14 hours ago

Immediately worked for me on a simple Samsung bought 15+ years ago.

What's the best way to use it, write your own search to parse all the json pages https://vsembed.ru/movies/latest/page-1.json ?

rideontime 21 hours ago

Seems to be missing some context. What is this used for? Piracy?

  • xoneryOP 21 hours ago

    It's a CLI that lets you select a movie, finds a matching stream from streaming websites, transcodes it, burns in subtitles in real time, and tells your TV to play it.

  • cortesoft 18 hours ago

    I am not sure how this would help with piracy? It can only play a stream you already have access to, it doesn’t break encryption or anything.

    • PieUser 17 hours ago

      The default config has a bunch of such sources: https://github.com/stupside/castor/blob/main/config.yaml

      sources: - proxies: - "https://vidsrc-embed.ru" templates: movie: "/embed/movie/{itemID}" episode: "/embed/tv/{itemID}/{season}-{episode}"

        - proxies:
            - "https://1embed.cc"
            - "https://www.vidking.net"
          templates:
            movie: "/embed/movie/{itemID}"
            episode: "/embed/tv/{itemID}/{season}/{episode}"
      
        - proxies:
            - "https://www.rivestream.app"
          templates:
            movie: "/embed/torrent?type=movie&id={itemID}"
            episode: "/embed/torrent?type=tv&id={itemID}&season={season}&episode={episode}"
      
        - proxies:
            - "https://www.rivestream.app"
          templates:
            movie: "/embed?type=movie&id={itemID}"
            episode: "/embed?type=tv&id={itemID}&season={season}&episode={episode}"
    • inigyou 12 hours ago

      You already have access to pirated streams. This app plays them for you. Check the source addresses in config.yaml.

  • pogue 21 hours ago

    It's an alternative way to cast media to your TV by way of somehow ripping the streaming video off said website or service.

  • mikeweiss 21 hours ago

    I agree, is the use case any video stream other than big established ( which already support casting)... So... bootleg sports streams?

    • xoneryOP 20 hours ago

      It casts whatever stream's on the page, same as VLC plays whatever file you open.

paxys 7 hours ago

It's about as much effort as a torrent, so I don't see the point.

xoneryOP 21 hours ago

Docker version on MacOS might not find your TV.

  • monksy 17 hours ago

    You probably have to expose it to do Upnp through the VM that is needed for docker on Macos.

m00dy 13 hours ago

>Castor launches headless Chrome with a randomized fingerprint and stealth scripts to hide automation.

you lost me in there.

  • m00dy 13 hours ago

    I work with browser fingerprinting, so I took a look at the repo to see what it actually does. From what I can tell, it only patches navigator, the Audio API, and the Canvas API. That is pretty basic, so it will likely get flagged easily.

    • inigyou 12 hours ago

      Depends what you're trying to bypass. Cloudflare isn't as strict as Google.

      • m00dy 10 hours ago

        depends on what you're trying to bypass in Cloudflare, turnstile or interstitial ?

aussieguy1234 15 hours ago

Can this be used without a TV, lets say if I just want to play the streams with VLC?

  • dizhn 12 hours ago

    I would hope it would do the "find and extract stream source" on the web page bit well. (This is quite hard on some sites). From there VLC can handle it.

    I use "Web Video Caster" on Android to stream videos from websites to my TV. Free version is fine.

ranger_danger 20 hours ago

Can you cast to a Roku device with this?

  • kls0e 17 hours ago

    I tried with v1.4.1, TVs running Roku TV do not seem to be supported at this point of time, at least "castor scan" does not yield any results. Roku TV does support Apple AirPlay as an add-on as you probably know.

j45 20 hours ago

This is interesting, instead of a command line interface it made me wonder what an interface right on the tv could look like.

Comparisons to watching tv, are usually a TV interface, with a TV device/app, be it an Android TV/Apple TV, etc.

Maybe I'm missing it, I couldn't see a tv interface.

The part where it can send video to any kind of tv is a pretty remarkable piece.

  • defrost 20 hours ago

    It's also remarkably "old" in a digital sense:

      Digital Living Network Alliance (DLNA) is a set of interoperability standards for sharing home digital media among multimedia devices. Introduced 2004; 22 years ago.
    
    * https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DLNA

      Google Cast is a proprietary protocol developed by Google for playing locally stored or Internet-streamed audiovisual content on a compatible consumer device. The protocol is used to initiate and control playback of content on digital media players, high-definition televisions, and home audio systems using a mobile device, personal computer, or smart speaker. The protocol was first launched on July 24, 2013; 12 years ago.
    
    * https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Google_Cast
vivzkestrel 18 hours ago

- very stupid comment: i still have no idea what this project does even after reading the README

- can someone kindly explain what is the actual problem statement and what the author is trying to solve here?

selectively 21 hours ago

We're just throwing straight up piracy on HN now? We're vibing piracy now? Felonies via API?

  • inigyou 12 hours ago

    Yes. Unironically yes. Except that it's a misdemeanor. It's a felony for the author of this code and for dang if he doesn't remove this post (distributing piracy tools), but it's a misdemeanor for the ones watching the streams.

  • Razengan 3 hours ago

    FAAS

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