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With Wall Street’s help, you’re about to be forced to buy stock in SpaceX

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114 points by aanet 3 days ago · 98 comments

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CodingJeebus 3 days ago

The SpaceX IPO prospectus states that the company is targeting a TAM of $28.5T, equal to roughly a quarter of the world's gross economic output.

Patrick Boyle said it best. Roughly 1 billion people on the planet make more than $12k annually (folks with "discretionary" income). Divide that TAM of $28.5T by 1B and the every single person needs to give SpaceX ~$28.5K every year forever in order for that figure to make sense. It's more than 3x what the planet spends on food currently.

  • tim333 2 days ago

    That's not quite right. TAM is the total addressable market so if SpaceX's share of that is 10% in means they'd have to give SpaceX $2.85K every year forever.

    To sane wash things a bit, the assumption, I guess, is AI will surpass human level and so increase world GDP.

WarmWash 3 days ago

If you listen to Elon speak, and you don't have much technical knowledge, or even maybe have some mild technical knowledge, Elon really sounds like he knows what he is doing and has very high confidence he can execute it. He can very non-nonchalantly rattle off a plan to pull off the impossible like it's no big deal. And he does have some significant achievements under his belt, but quite a bit easier things than what he promises (and promised, often a decade ago) ahead.

I can totally see why retail shareholders are so enthralled with him. Nevermind Tesla largely was a self-fullfilling prophecy, despite the prophecy not even becoming true. But the share price did, and that's all that really matter to retail traders.

  • jordanb 3 days ago

    It's funny he's only able to do that because he has so little real technical understanding. A real engineer wouldn't be so flippant.

    • tristanj 3 days ago

      > [Elon] has so little real technical understanding

      This is a common trope, it's been dismantled many times previously https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=33555870

      • bigyabai 3 days ago

        Your response is also a common trope. What has Elon actually invented? What code did Elon write on-par with Carmack?

        We can judge him by technical merits very easily. But if you hold him to the standards of Carmack or Feynman, Elon's accomplishments are entirely benign.

        • tristanj 3 days ago

          The query in question is "Elon little real technical understanding", which is demonstrably false. Responding to that with the logical fallacy of Moving the Goalposts does not address it.

          • keeda 3 days ago

            Wait, "demonstrably false" based on anecdotes? I'm sorry, when I wonder whether someone like, say, Carmack has technical chops I wouldn't rely on anecdotes from people, especially people I do not know of.

            For one, I can counter those with anecdotes from people I do know and trust. Like, I know directly from at least one very senior ex-Twitter engineer, who I worked directly with and whose technical chops I can vouch for (and who left before Elon took over, so you know, less chances of prejudice) that everything Elon said about Twitter engineering after he took over was absolute BS.

            For another, I can point to boneheaded moves directly traceable to Elon, like eschewing LIDAR for Tesla FSD, that have endangered my own life on multiple occasions. Like, phantom braking is STILL a problem for in 2026, something that LIDAR would largely eliminate.

            Just because he's built some very successful technical businesses does not mean he's technically strong. It is useful to know that cults of personality are cultivated. And especially for one like Elon (cf video game cheating scandal) when in doubt, it is probably a good idea to err towards "cultivated."

            • tristanj 3 days ago

              Elon is clearly highly technical as demonstrated by the Starbase interviews by Everyday Astronaut https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLStF4EoZOEFJ6xDx656Ik...

              You can pick any video and see this for yourself.

              • verzali 3 days ago

                Wasn't the orginal point that he sounds highly technical to people that don't understand the field well?

                • tristanj 2 days ago

                  Elon Musk is the chief engineer of SpaceX. If you don't believe this, I'm not sure what to tell you. It's extremely well documented. https://erik-engheim.medium.com/is-elon-musk-just-a-sales-gu...

                  You can watch the playlist linked above to verify this for yourself. Tim Dodd asks Elon deeply technical questions about Starship and Elon explains the design rationale and tradeoffs behind each of them.

                  In one of the videos Elon walks around Super Heavy booster with Joe Petrzelka, Head of Booster Engineering at SpaceX, and they take turns explaining the technical details of how the ship works.

    • jazz9k 3 days ago

      What I think is funny is that Steve Jobs also had very little technical knowledge and was just as much of an asshole, yet he's worshipped in the tech community. The only reason comments like yours are being made is because of Musk's politics. He was also loved in the Tech community, before supporting Trump.

      Musk doesn't have to be a 'real engineer'. Most 'real engineers' would obsess over mundane details and rarely think about the bigger picture or making a profit.

      • oska 2 days ago

        > yet he's worshipped in the tech community

        Maybe for those who are younger and who mostly know of Jobs posthumously but Jobs was a highly polarising figure through the 80s, 90s and 2000s and there were many ppl who would never buy any Apple product because of the Jobs personality behind it (including when Jobs wasn't actually in charge; it was still a company built in his "Walled Garden + Salesman Hype" image)

      • cosmicgadget 2 days ago

        For people outside the Apple bubble, Jobs is disliked for perpetuating the Apple walled garden and contempt for its users.

        Elon would have gotten there with his inability to deliver on promises but he found his political cash cow first.

      • jordanb 3 days ago

        I don't worship Steve Jobs but he didn't pretend to be an engineer

        What turned me off to Elon was "it's a tube with an air hockey table in it, it's not that hard."

  • kklisura 3 days ago

    > Elon really sounds like he knows what he is doing and has very high confidence he can execute it

    In 2015, Elon Musk on Hyperloop: "it's no that hard", "it's like a tube with an air hockey table...", "I swear, it's not that hard" [1] Eventually, it was hard. You can literally go on and on with these examples.

    [1] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bQcfi8HK1i8

albatross79 3 days ago

His innovation has been to show that you don't need to make a product that works or makes sense. You just need to make products that get oceans of fools excited and get 30% of the way there. By that point you've locked in their childish fantasies and their money comes with it. Institutional money follows and you're on your way to being the richest man in the world. The tech product fetishism that the iPhone brought about has enabled a lot of it. A lot of people are still looking for the high that a new phone used to bring.

  • Zigurd 3 days ago

    You do need to put in the effort to turn the pool of potential fools into cult followers. Elon had a head start on creating a cult. He turned the Tesla social media campaign into a cult following. Credit where credit is due.

bix6 3 days ago

It’s hard to imagine it all crashing down for him tbh. He has so many ways to conjure money and his mafia has immense resources. Why people love him so much I will never understand.

  • tim333 3 days ago

    The tech is kind of cool - cars that do 0-60 in ~2 seconds, reusable rockets etc. And back to trying to make cool things. I was around during the Space Shuttle era when it seemed things had been reduced to stuff that sort of worked and cost 5x what it should due to all the companies and politicians wanting their profits. It was a bit depressing.

mc32 3 days ago

You have to take Krugman with a big grain of salt.

It's been decades since he was in a policy position and these days he's more of a commentator, opinionator who is often wrong. I think he sometimes leans on his nobel prize to give his opinions weight that people should discount given how often his opinions fall flat.

maxdo 3 days ago

He revolutionized car and rocket industry , internet industry , military industry in a very dramatic obvious way. Now grab let’s say Amazon what did they revolutionize? Yeah they do deliver to you goods from China and help you to tend hardware with some decent soft on it .

You can twist it both ways. He has a bravery to take on super complex tasks. You might not like him personally but this is so much aspiring vs see on that list of richest people folks that sell shirts and pants or telco guy .

  • zaat 3 days ago

    You can type in whatever sequence of keys you want, but Amazon preety much created and shaped that Cloud thing, if you ever heard of it. And that's just one of their side-projects.

    There are better ways to stand for my man Elon.

  • myvoiceismypass 2 days ago

    AWS powers a significant portion of the websites in the world

  • mamonster 3 days ago

    >internet industry , military industry

    This is the part people are missing. You are investing into the most important U.S government/military contractor (SpaceX + Twitter). And if you really look at how Tesla survived (i.e electric vehicle subsidies) you can make an argument Musk is the biggest state capitalist of the 21st century.

    I've posted comments previously about how Musk & the Paypal mafia were the first to realise that the US government offers you the bigggest captive TAM in the world, but the SpaceX IPO just cements it.

  • bigyabai 3 days ago

    > Now grab let’s say Amazon what did they revolutionize?

    Self-report. Never heard of AWS-East-1 before?

oska 3 days ago

Here was my parsing of the submission title :

> With Wall Street’s help, you’re about to be forced to buy stock in SpaceX

Yes, true, so why was it flagged ?

> (paulkrugman.substack.com)

Ah, ok, that's actually legit. Krugman is not worth reading on any subject, even when he's right (at least in the title).

CGMthrowaway 3 days ago

Krugman's brushing off genuine engineering wins here. SpaceX got space launch costs down to unheard of levels and built Starlink. Tesla built and scaled EVs at a time when no one else was willing to really try. Musk has a habit of overpromising, but there is real output that we can measure as well.

I expect SPCX might stay in squeeze territory until insider lockups expire, and yeah that's financial engineering, but the stock is not going to zero anytime soon the way an actual Ponzi would.

Glyptodon 3 days ago

Musk is kind of fascinating.

On one hand SpaceX and Starlink are businesses that it's practically embarrassing that seemingly nobody else even tried to build. You look into it and look at Bezos and Blue Origin and wonder if the markets can actually build new businesses anymore.

Then you set them aside and realize that he basically got away with visa fraud because he was wealthy to begin with and lucked into making tons of money off PayPal and didn't even found Tesla...

...and the lesson I take away isn't that there's anything special about Musk. It's that if you have billions of dollars almost anybody with some kind of preoccupation can build giant businesses related to it.

For example, I totally believe if some random geek obsessed with SeaQuest had been part of the PayPal Mafia they could have figured out a way to make a billion dollar business out of underwater habitats and submarines.

...at least if they were crazed in public enough about it, which seems to have turned into a key part of how Musk works at some point.

Kind of like if you have a lot of money and a few obsessions you now get ahead more by having Tom Cruise couch hopping moments than by being an actual Howard Hughes or Hearst.

Separately we obviously really shouldn't be letting companies with such concentrated ownership be publicly traded with these multi-class shares, but I guess that's where we are now: reinventing feudalism in market trappings.

  • Zigurd 3 days ago

    Starlink and Falcon 9 are the most impressive technological achievements in their domains. But people are getting way ahead of themselves claiming that these are business successes. EBITDA is a metric you can defend when applied to software. That's because incremental sales have near zero cost. And you don't have to replace the satellite constellation every five years.

    Similarly it is remarkable that you can land a booster that wasn't designed to do that. But can you actually refurbish and re-fly it for a meaningful savings? This is another instance where software accounting practices don't work when you're dealing with big expensive tangible objects like rocket engines.

    SpaceX has been around for 20+ years. And they are still their own biggest customer for launch capacity by a very large margin. Where is the demand?

  • bigyabai 3 days ago

    "In this world some people born are like keys that move the world and exist having no connection to the social heirarchy established by man." - Kentaro Miura

    I think that the average American discounts how important sociopaths are to the economy. The man chanting about developers, the guy who says you're holding it wrong, the human lawnmower who supports genocide, the CEO that introduced his wife to Epstein, the gay executive that launders bigoted politics, the other gay executive that wants to scan your eyeball and build AGI. The scheming Afrikaner now rides in to collect his due, astride two horses and a retinue of unsold EVs.

    They all have rabid fanbases, but also the Mandate of Heaven. These sociopaths can exploit whatever they set their eyes on, and dominate it until their judgement fails them. It wouldn't be such a problem if Americans had a healthy skepticism for chronic liars, and didn't worship brand identity to their last breath. That tide is slowly changing, but not fast enough to stop where we're headed.

circadian 3 days ago

A wonderfully written article. I think Musk is simply a singular example of how the broligarchy has managed to overwhelmingly influence the very fabric of political and economic institutions: he's not the only one and certainly not the originator.

I wonder if the underlying principle of Ponzi schemes have been wielded in western democracies a lot more than most realise, amplifying (through greed rather than direct maliciousness) wealth disparities that have been growing since long before Musk started Paypal. The sad point isn't that this mentality exists, but that many who can ill afford such an atrocious investment don't have the opportunity to do much about it: how many people really can do much about where their low-grade investments are really placed?

It says more about the state of transparency in economies and politics in the 21st century than it does about the man himself. Symptom of the system is what I think Musk and Trump really are.

Kudos to the author, really thought provoking.

ekjhgkejhgk 3 days ago

Enron Musk.

apparent 3 days ago

> But Musk proceeded to destroy X’s business model by turning it into an extreme-right, Nazi-friendly cesspool, prompting advertisers to flee.

This is where he lost me. There are still plenty of liberals and independents on Twitter. It is not "extreme-right" and anyone who thinks so is either being dishonest or has no idea what the left-right scale of politics in America looks like.

  • tastyface 3 days ago

    Nate Silver with the receipts: https://www.natesilver.net/p/social-media-has-become-a-freak...

    Most of the top engagement on Twitter comes from the right.

    • apparent 3 days ago

      > It’s not hard to notice that Twitter has become extremely right-leaning.

      This is very different from X is "an extreme-right, Nazi-friendly cesspool".

  • TMWNN 3 days ago

    According to the media and on Reddit, since Musk bought Twitter, Mastodon, Bluesky and Threads have collectively gained 70 bazillion users on seventeen different occasions, and have caused Twitter to collapse and disappear eleven times.

    Meanwhile, in the real world, without Twitter, the video footage of the near beheading in Belfast would never have been seen by the world; yet another example of how it continues to make and drive the news.

    Without the footage being available to all, the police and mainstream media would have continued to describe what happened as a mere "stabbing" or "assault" or "attack", as the media did for hours after it occurred. When was the last time anything, anything at all, happened after a Bluesky post?

    • tastyface 3 days ago

      Yes, some great things happened in Belfast in response to that post. Boy, isn't it great that the totally centrist Twitter is still relevant.

      (History will judge you people appropriately -- as it did the people grinning at lynchings in 1950's America.)

      • TMWNN 3 days ago

        I apologize on Twitter's behalf for it no longer obliging in hiding events that go against The Narrative(TM). But, as we've been discussing, Bluesky is always happy to censor as much as you want.

        • tastyface 3 days ago

          Enjoy having this content connected to your identity for the rest of time! You might be in for some unpleasant surprises later on.

focusgroup0 3 days ago

guy who predicted that the internet would be a flop and whose career amounted to taking potshots from a paper calling one of the greatest capital allocators of all time a fraud

https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/paul-krugman-internets-eff...

goldenshale 3 days ago

I used to respect Krugman, but as time has gone on he seems like yet another New York Times style leftist monkey just whining about people they have disagreements with. Pushing the frontiers of science and technology is an unknowable endeavor for which accurate predictions can never be made unless they are not really pushing the limits. It's attitudes like this which restrict us from actually doing real R&D, and instead focusing on quarterly profits and simple stories that nincompoops can understand. Has he not seen how Tesla transformed the global perspective on EVs? Has he not driven in one in FSD mode? Has he not seen the constant launches and innovation happening at SpaceX, or the XAI leap from nothing to having hyperscaler class datacenters and near frontier models. Sure, they haven't gotten to the lead yet, but jesus christ, what's Krugman bringing into the world from zero. The world would be a far better place with 1,000 brilliant kids taking their inspiration from Musk than from taking this pessimistic, whining NYT perspective on science and technology.

  • BoggleOhYeah 3 days ago

    “Hey kids. Morality doesn't exist as long as you make enough people money.”

    You people are nothing but whores. You can dress it up in some kind of utopian futurism but no one with a brain buys it.

    • mrkstu 3 days ago

      Its hilarious that the left, the home of the Weathermen, masked Antifa terrorists, assassins cheered by their base, studiously ignoring rape by favored groups, and a list I could continue for paragraphs, so weakly grasps for morality as some kind of new Puritans.

      The only morality of the left is that of Big Brother.

      Musk must be verboten because of his heresies, not because he shares the libertine tendencies of the left.

      Considering that Climate Change is apparently the greatest challenge of our age, please point me to a single person who has done more to move the world economy to a Green economy than Musk?

      Musk does indeed have some detestable tendencies, as indeed most of us do, if we will be honest in our private moments. The difference is his are magnified by those vehemently opposed to his willingness to oppose the entrenched political elite and speak the truth as he sees it. If Musk was willing to bend the knee he would be as celebrated as Soros despite his trillion..

      Musk doesn't need me or anyone to stick up for him, but we as a society need to be much more honest in these dialogues about what we are truly talking about rather than cloak in vile rhetoric and divisive attacks. As long as we debase the debate with emotional baggage of envy and vitriol rather than goal based reasoning, we deserve the pit of despair we're currently swirling into.

      • galleywest200 3 days ago

        > Considering that Climate Change is apparently the greatest challenge of our age, please point me to a single person who has done more to move the world economy to a Green economy than Musk?

        The same guy burning portable gas generators at both Colossus data centers?

        • mrkstu 3 days ago

          Yep. Also the guy moving countries to battery peaking power instead of gas turbines, the guy who started the revolution that has China moving to mostly battery powered cars. He could run those data centers for decades and not dent his net green credentials.

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