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Do women’s mate preferences change across the ovulatory cycle? (2014) [pdf]

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44 points by rzk 15 days ago · 49 comments

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brodo 15 days ago

The whole field of evolutionary psychology is in a replication crisis, and there are several newer studies that did not find any evidence for any changes in 'mate preference' across the ovulatory cycle.

General sexual desire, but not desire for uncommitted sexual relationships, tracks changes in women's hormonal status https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/29287282/

Meta-Analysis of Menstrual Cycle Effects on Women’s Mate Preferences https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/abs/10.1177/175407391452307...

  • thriei93i3i3 15 days ago

    "Replication crisis" is way too kind. The whole research field has the same credibility, as the "size does not matter" fact.

zug_zug 15 days ago

This research is one of the important studies in my own understanding of the world. I think it's the type of thing people are cautious to talk about too much because it might drive a certain type of person crazy and lead them to overcompensate in weird/destructive ways.

I also remember there's a study on how hormonal birth control (which causes the body to perceive itself as pregnant) affects these preferences too. In some ways we really are "experimenting on production." I also think there's some hesitation to talk about that a lot and come-across as anti-choice.

But beliefs must come from the research, not vice-versa.

  • arowthway 15 days ago

    I love evolutionary psychology trivia but for me it's kind of hard to meaningfully fit 0.13 standard deviation shift in preferences into my world model.

  • K0balt 15 days ago

    In the end we’re just improvements on the worm/tube plan, and we run things based on chemical soup that is mostly inside our bodies these days, but whose composition has a significant influence on our behavior. Thats why it’s great to have a neocortex, so we con at least be marginally in control of our decisions if we maintain a consistent effort to do so.

    But yeah, in my empirical experience, moon phases, ovolatory cycles, hormone manipulation therapies… all have a gigantic impact on our base physiological and psychological state. I live in a place where the insects operate on a lunar phase, and the plants proactively change their operations in that rhythm to match. You can taste and see the difference in tree sap here based on the lunar phase, it becomes thicker, darker, and more bitter days in advance of the insect hatching.

    Why would we think we are somehow a special exception from the web of life that created us?

block_dagger 15 days ago

Findings of TFA: Yes.

Women show a robust increase in attraction to cues of ancestral genetic quality (body masculinity, behavioral dominance) on high-fertility days, but only when evaluating men as short-term/unspecified sexual partners, not long-term partners.

  • andyferris 15 days ago

    Can we summarize this as "people get horny sometimes" and "ovulating people get horny"? Or is that too reductive?

    • acters 15 days ago

      I am guessing they are trying to make a distinction from mental horny vs physical horny

    • readthenotes1 15 days ago

      It is probably safer. Summarize it as sociology during the replication crisis

  • usrnm 15 days ago

    Which only supports my belief that with the proliferation of contraception tying sex and long-term partnership together is becoming a useless anachronism

    • anonym29 15 days ago

      Are you kidding? Sexless long-term partnerships are nothing new; they've been around for ages - that's just called marriage!

mike_hock 15 days ago

Do women keep changing their settings in that Gnome 2 fork over the course of their ovulatory cycle?

Oh, that kind of mate.

leoncos 15 days ago

Many behaviors are determined by hormones. Men are no exception. When calm, men tend to prefer intellectual women, but when they're impulsive after drinking in a bar, they prefer sexy women.

  • dnnddidiej 15 days ago

    It is OK! Don't forget we are animals first. Obviously we need that neocortex to keep decisions in check!

  • iberator 15 days ago

    Women with higher testosterone levels prefer more risks.

    For example: when women are starting dating and fell in love: their testosterone level go up for 2 months

  • rusk 15 days ago

    In my experience it’s usually the other way around

    • crims0n 15 days ago

      It is a curious thing how drinking affects people in different ways. Some people get reflective, others belligerent.

      • sublinear 15 days ago

        Endocrine and nervous system function take a dramatic shift when processing alcohol.

        The aggressive drunks didn't get there overnight. They drink more heavily and regularly. Their nervous system is amped up even when "sober", but it takes months to years to fully recover from that state and there might even be permanent nerve damage. All this to say, they will just drink again to calm their nerves and are easily pissed off. That's alcoholism for you.

        On the flip side, some of the most body aware and even keeled people I've ever known are recovered alcoholics. There's a reason alcohol has been a rite of passage for most of human history.

hambes 15 days ago

I am not scientist enough to judge this, so please someone enlighten me: most categories i've read through that find a shift do so with an increase of about 0.1-0.2 standard deviations. that does not sound significant to me. is that enough to make the claims this study makes?

Hnrobert42 15 days ago

It's 2026, and I still can't read a PDF on mobile.

I must be doing something wrong. I'm using FF Focus. Is that it? I tried Safari. Either they moved the reader button, or it's not present for PDFs. Help me Obi-Wan.

Nzen 15 days ago

I don't know what an ovulatory cycle feels like; but, I trust Lindsay Doe's account [0] of how she feels across a given period.

[0] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uLXxxHVOeec 11 minutes

  • Jensson 15 days ago

    It probably feels a bit like before and after ejaculation for a man, just it happens way quicker for men. Pretty sure if you studied that you'd find mens preferences in women changes a lot as well.

sameersri2004 15 days ago

Yes, it does from follicular to ovulation...

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