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54 points by striking a month ago · 23 comments

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tempesttempo86 23 days ago

Arbitrary mention: Crust[0]

[0] https://github.com/tsoding/crust

wasmperson 23 days ago

Rust's memory safety is as much a social convention as it is a language feature. The language has something better described as "mutation safety," and it's the job of library developers to use that to design UB-free APIs.

I think many people understand this subconsciously, and that this is what drives some of the more performative security culture in Rust spaces (superfluous safety comments, shunning of certain crate authors, `forbid(unsafe)`, push-back against syntax sugar, etc.).

EFLKumo 23 days ago

though said for education purpose, keep finding these boundary-pushings playful. I can recall early days arrested by "several ways to access private members in C++" lol

  • himata4113 23 days ago

    I personally hate access controls in general since it always made be release a big sigh as a I was typing .getClass().getMethod()/getField() knowing that it hurts performance.

    • estebank 23 days ago

      That kind of code doesn't have to hurt performance, as long as monomorphization, inlining or JITting are available to the toolchain. If every single method access is a virtual-table call, then yes, there's an "unnecessary" cost. But you shouldn't be writing high-level looking code in such a language if you care about that level of performance.

      • himata4113 23 days ago

        it's more about the fact that the servers are java and invoking a reflection method does have a non-zero cost that isn't substantial but still makes you sigh as you either eat the performance cost or spend 10 minutes creating a patch and recompiling the server.

extraduder_ire 23 days ago

Cool idea. I was expecting more than just turn_off_the_borrow_checker in you_can though.

Maybe with time, as more counterexamples are needed for things "you can't just..." in rust.

space_ghost 23 days ago

This reminds me of Perl's ACME modules and I'm here for that.

himata4113 23 days ago

I usually just box it and then Box::into_raw when I need multiple mutable references in a singlethreaded application where there's no deallocation or cleanup has to occur post shutdown.

codedokode 23 days ago

Macros can secretly add "unsafe" blocks into the code?

  • kibwen 23 days ago

    If you're paranoid, you can use the `forbid(unsafe_code)` attribute, which will produce a compiler error when any code in its scope attempts to use `unsafe`, which includes macro expansions.

  • EFLKumo 23 days ago

    Yes. It assumes author of the macro guarantees the safety. Common cases are not adding unsafe{} and leaving this to user, relying on audit tools or [highlighters](https://lukaswirth.dev/posts/semantic-unsafe/), etc. However, it's indeed allowed to silently add unsafe blocks in macros. I'm not working on rust frequently btw, mistakes may exist.

  • mplanchard 23 days ago

    Macros are just text in, text out, so yep

Pesthuf 23 days ago

I wonder if this has any measurable impact on compile times.

rurban 23 days ago

Even more unsafe rust, great!

orphea 23 days ago

Disgusting. I love it.

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