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Java: Rethink Domain Primitives with Valhalla

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31 points by dfa11 17 days ago · 12 comments

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mrkeen 17 days ago

Oh cool. It's newtype from Haskell 1.3 (1996).

https://www.haskell.org/definition/from12to13.html#newtype

dfa11OP 17 days ago

Valhalla removes the historical performance tax on tiny domain objects. This article argues that value classes finally make domain‑safe primitives practical in real systems — strong invariants, flat layout, no wrapper overhead.

I’d love feedback from folks who’ve experimented with Valhalla or have opinions on modelling domain types in Java.

  • rf15 17 days ago

    I've been working in Java for more than 20 years now, the last 10 with unperformant, yet performance critical enterprise slop.

    I can only really say one thing here: they are really late to the party with this but it's good. The performance boost will be welcome, and would probably change ORMs forever if applied right.

    Nullability rules should of course be also part of this domain-constricted types concept, since it would solve a lot of accidental mistakes. Because that's what a type system is for, right? Validation of programmer input.

    • dfa11OP 16 days ago

      yeah 100% agree! In some critical area, I'm forced to drop all the "good things" and pack 2 shorts into 1 int to build a tuple(short,short)...

  • exabrial 17 days ago

    > Value classes cannot be null.

    Won't this be an issue for JPA/JSONB? `null` is a an important and value in JSON and nearly every database, and for modeling the real world.

    • dfa11OP 16 days ago

      True: this compiles and the test passes today on JDK 27-jep401ea3:

        record Person(String name, Age age, Iban iban) {}
      
        // {"name": "SuperMario", "age": null, "iban": null}
        Person result = mapper.readValue(json, Person.class);
      
        assertThat(result.age()).isNull();   // passes — value class field, null
        assertThat(result.iban()).isNull();  // passes — value class field, null
      
        Jackson bypasses the constructor for null JSON tokens (getNullValue() short-circuits), so the
        validation in new Age(...) never runs. Both Age and Iban are value classes; both fields are null.
      
      What do you think? Of course, there are limitations as Person cannot be flattened anymore but I guess Valhalla will ship more JEPs later?
    • mrkeen 17 days ago

      It is not.

      Null is the thing which it isn't. A null value is evidence that your modelling does not fit the domain.

      • exabrial 17 days ago

        Unfortunately, the simple fact is that one can be handed a JSON document with non-existent keys, and one can be handed a database row with a null column. Often, the programmer may handed a schema from a third party they have no control over: opening a semantics debate is likely not a good course of action.

        I guess since basic types, like an int or double, cannot be null, I understand why these cannot be null. This unfortunately limits their usefulness, but it's a carryover from the underlying properties of the basic type.

        • joe_mwangi 16 days ago

          Value types will be optionally null. What java will introduce to the tooling is narrowing of nullness types. Hence Foo! <: Foo? <: Foo. This will assist in enabling safe domains or scope in code that are null-restricted with ease. Hence we can model around such a type system rule.

        • mrkeen 17 days ago

          I agree that it is unfortunate.

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