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Europe sleepwalked into yet another energy crisis

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36 points by asplake 2 months ago · 49 comments

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michael1999 2 months ago

Spain didn't.

https://www.ft.com/content/19f2ee15-dc86-4964-b23f-d644b18a7...

ZeroGravitas a month ago

Is it really sleepwalking if a politician funded by the weelchair corporation is dragging you out of bed and throwing you down the stairs to increase their profits?

Yaggo a month ago

The rest of Europe needs an energy reform. They should take the Nordics countries as an example, where household usage of gas is very minimal / non-existent and everything is electricity based (electricity being the cleanest in the world). They are also leading the EV adaptation by big margin.

  • nDRDY a month ago

    A significant source of electricty is generated from waste-to-power plants in the Nordics. Several of those countries import rubbish by the shipload to turn into power.

    For that matter, it's probably a net positive to put most plastic "recycling" into such schemes, as we're just turning plastic products into lower and lower grade pieces, with the associated generation of microplastics.

    • Yaggo a month ago

      Yes that's the best use of waste (next to not producing the waste in the first place). Also, those powerplants are usually combined type of powerplants which make them highly effective, i.e. they are producing both heat and electricity.

      Nordics countries generally need lot of heating because of cold climate, which in cities is typically district heating, i.e. delivering the heat as hot water from big heating plants. Heat pumps are also very popular (air-to-air, air-to-water, geothermal).

      For example, my house is entirely heated with 3 heat pumps, even in -25°C. From April to September 10 kW solar panels provide the most of energy, also charging my Tesla.

    • ZeroGravitas a month ago

      Combustion with energy recovery is slightly lower down the "Waste hierarchy" than recycling. Nordics get even more bonus points if they use the waste heat for district heating after generating electricity but I think it still comes out as a bit worse than recycling overall.

      There's complicated interactions though, removing the plastics can affect the makeup of the fuel and the post combustion products can free recyclable metal from other materials they were combined with. Recycling processes often have an unrecyclable fraction which can be burned etc.

      • fifilura a month ago

        > Nordics get even more bonus points if they use the waste heat for district heating after generating electricity.

        Waste -> district heating is definitely happening in Sweden. Probably more so than waste -> electricity. There are better ways to generate electricity and we need heating anyway big part of the season.

mitchbob a month ago

https://archive.ph/2026.03.19-073746/https://www.bbc.com/new...

ZeroGravitas 2 months ago

Any money spent on blunting short term spikes in fossil fuels should be added back to fossil fuels over time. And windfall profits should be automatically seized. Otherwise you are just incentivising wars.

tl1293 a month ago

The BBC misrepresents "the Chinese lesson". China does build up renewables, but it does so while still supporting its heavy industry with cheap Russian gas.

It does not help at all to put aluminum smelters on Qatari ground, claim zero emissions, and then watch those being bombed together with the LNG facilities.

It also does not help if Russia is the last country on earth that still has natural gas and can dictate fertilizer production. The journalists are all about short term thinking, mindless green agenda religion and no economic knowledge.

PearlRiver a month ago

No plan survives an encounter with Donald Trump.

juliusceasar a month ago

Europe got lured from crisis to crisis by Israel and USA. Energy crisis, refugee crisis.

fhn a month ago

"They prefer to flare the gas than to deliver it" What Russia chooses to do with their resources is none of your business. Her sense of entitlement is astronomical like most of the west.

"This market is not functioning anymore." so you point fingers at everybody else?

  • watwut a month ago

    Russia is choosing to invade Ukraine and Russia started war with genocidal intent. That war is still ongoing.

    Russia deserves all criticism and hate it gets.

  • temp8830 a month ago

    At least they didn't forget to use the exact phrase "full-scale invasion" everywhere, including what was supposed to be a direct quote. It's really quite funny.

    I think the former chief editor of Pravda now holds a high rank in the EU propaganda apparatus. They famously had to repeat the same cliched phrases ad nauseum to reinforce them.

    • eviks a month ago

      They did, 2 of 4 mentions don't have "full-scale". Count before laughing.

      • temp8830 a month ago

        Ah yes, Russian bot can't count. But now that this cliche has been pointed out to you - you won't be able to unsee it. You're welcome ;)

p0w3n3d a month ago

Steps taken forward but sleepwalking back again

watwut a month ago

How is that "Europe sleepwalking" when it is something literally made and created by USA for no reason?

> President Donald Trump's US has become one lynchpin in Europe's energy provisions, replacing Russia.

Nah, he is joining them and helping them greatly. Russia is the only country gaining on this stupid war.

eqvinox 2 months ago

I really wouldn't call it sleepwalking when it's the result of a lot of lobbying and deeply ingrained mis-views of politics ("conservatives are good with the economy").

  • bluegatty a month ago

    The Green Party of Germany is the most damaging institution of them all.

    They are responsible for the situation by spreading ideological disinformation and fear mongering.

    Otherwise Germany and others would be in the same position as France.

    • notTooFarGone a month ago

      Wow - a nuclear-head in the wild.

      Tell me please how building nuclear plants today will solve our problems in the 15-20 years it takes to build them.

      Or how the conservative party did phase out nuclear? They were 16 years at the helm, why couldn't they stop it?

      But no the fringe party is at fault for everything. That rhetoric is both completely unfounded and basically far-right propaganda. Congratulations - you got targeted and manipulated into a single issue voter.

      • RealityVoid a month ago

        They could have... You know... Not closed the existing running nuclear power plants at all? The greens pushed a lot for that. I admit, the future looks good for solar. But to hell and back if I don't prefer a nuclear power plant to a fossil fuel one.

        • notTooFarGone a month ago

          I agree on that fully - but that is a completely different point. The Lifetime extension and the costs associated to that are not clear to me. But of course letting an already paid project run is a no brainer if the costs are not blowing up.

          I don't like the assumption that this calculation was not done by the book due to the greens being in charge of that. It's always the question: Lifetime extension can cost a lot and maybe it only buys 5 years. Basically I assume there was a € price and it was too high to pay. Maybe CDU would've payed that price but I don't think either is wrong.

          • bluegatty a month ago

            No - it's not a completely different point.

            The Greens - out of ideological fear mongering - forced the end of Nuclear, just like they forced the end of new construction decades ago, and keep the German public in fear.

        • blitzar a month ago

          > Not closed the existing running nuclear power plants at all?

          How many more years would you run a plant commissioned in the 1980's for?

          • bluegatty a month ago

            A very long time with maintenance, upkeep many are going to have 60 year lifespans and theoretically 80-100 years. Some are planned for 80 years.

            In the meantime, every day that goes by without building more, is the a day without the ability to walk away from Russian or Gulf oil.

      • bluegatty a month ago

        Complete wrong on every count, but also hostile and ignorant

        1) The German Green movement killed nuclear decades ago, not 'now' - otherwise those plants would have already been built.

        2) The conservatives parties have been pro-nuclear forever - they phased out Nuclear due to populist concerns, not ideological.

        3) This is not even controversial - this is literally just political history on the continent.

        4) "basically far-right propaganda. " good god, grow up. Not every bit of history is 'propaganda', and I'm not a German Voter.

        >> Nuclear Energy on the Continent and in many other places was killed by the Green Party movement <<

        In Germany specifically [1] the data shows decisively an acute, anti-Nuclear populist sentiment, as a result of the 'Green' movement.

        The German Green movement used 'radicalism' and 'propaganda' ate away at public reason - the evidence for this is how far away the German data point was from everywhere else.

        It's why Russia is powerful, partly why Europe cannot support it's own industrial basis.

        It's an existential problem, and Nuclear needs to be part of the Energy mix.

        [1] https://world-nuclear.org/information-library/current-and-fu...

        • notTooFarGone a month ago

          So do you hold a grudge or why are you talking in the fucking past? Conservatives lacking a spine is now "they phased out Nuclear due to populist concerns" ok.

          Is your solution to look in the past and blame everyone to solve the problems today?

          Of course in Hindsight phasing out nuclear so fast was a mistake. Does that solve our problems now?

mesk 2 months ago

Only Europe ? What a fantastic news ! /s

michieldotv a month ago

From speaking with others, I will say that, on average my peers seem not to have learned from the energy crisis following the invasion of Ukraine. It's business as usual. Consequently those learnings have not permeated society up to the political class.

Since then, I renovated my house, installing a heat pump. That's long term planning when it comes to a household. The same kind of judicious long-term thinking we did not see from our leaders. Yeah, supply chains were shifted quickly and we started importing LNG from the USA and Qatar soon after giving some semblance of stability, but really we are still captives to petrostates.

Now with LNG prices spiking, exposing the vulnerability of our imports once again, we have our PM De Wever saying that we should aspire for normalised relations with Russia ASAP so that we can tap that cheap gas? That's a hard pass for me.

Fossil fuels are problematic enough as it stands but, I get it: Saudis draining the Colorado river for cow feed using their oil money, or whatever, that doesn't register very high up in what matters in the here and now. Yet another oil-shock fueled inflation wave though? That stings.

So perhaps the silver lining here is that at the very least, the geopolitical risk they pose is now truly very palpable. Again. It's out in the open. Again. We should seize the moment and see it as an opportunity to really double down on our efforts in phasing out fossil fuels. Again. The world will be a much better (albeit different) place without them.

mono442 a month ago

If they stuck with coal for producing electricity, it wouldn't such a huge problem.

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