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AWS outage due to drone attacks in UAE

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128 points by stellastah a day ago · 117 comments

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RamblingCTO a day ago

I've been working on that for a client since yesterday (as a fractional CTO). Pretty hectic, basically nothing really works and we don't know yet if all data is lost or if anything is recoverable or when AWS UAE will become functional again so we can recover that region.

Finally, I have a very good argument for multi-region deployments ;))

that's my go to website atm: https://health.aws.amazon.com/health/status

  • crossroadsguy a day ago

    Severity: Disrupted

    So if data won't be recoverable you all will mark it something like "Status: FUBAR" or some equivalent term?

  • richsouth a day ago

    What do you mean 'finally' - surely 'redundancy' or 'natural disaster' is reason enough.

    • RamblingCTO a day ago

      To a lot of managers/startup execs this is something like "we won't ever need this". And I'd agree to some extent for not so important/rebuildable services. Depends on what you need. In startups, you don't have infinite time you can spend on stuff. But this makes a good case: if a geographical region only has one AWS region, don't keep data or run services that can't be easily rebuild somewhere else. In europe you can just pick two AWS regions and you stay in the same regions, UAE not so much.

      • tw04 5 hours ago

        There’s a reason literally every enterprise of any size in the early 00s not only had a DR site, but a DR plan they would test multiple times per year.

        1. Just having a copy in two places doesn’t mean the copies are both good or that you can get DR online in any reasonable amount of time.

        2. You quickly figure out all the things you thought “weren’t important” that prevent you from actually doing a successful DR test.

        They amount of things that “cloud first” people just assume naturally takes care of itself because it’s in the cloud always amuses me.

        • RamblingCTO 5 hours ago

          You should have that for your main data, yes. I insist on that as well. Making backups, cold storage, and getting them back online. Yearly is not enough. My point was that not everything needs a backup or a DR. Spend your time wisely, we're talking startups, not enterprise. Can't talk more specifics obviously

          • tw04 4 hours ago

            The fact half the internet was down the last time US east was down tells me it’s not just startups that foolishly think they don’t need actively tested dr copies and plans when they move to the cloud.

    • doubled112 a day ago

      I don't think this changes anything. It is always the same argument for me.

      "How often do those happen?"

      • RamblingCTO a day ago

        That was my point: now we have a very specific case we can argue. I always used the "what if a plane crashes into the data center" argument. Now I can say: in one of my engagements, we lost a datacenter completely because of a drone attack. That's a first for AWS as well, but we can draw from reality, not hypotheticals.

  • jamesfinlayson 18 hours ago

    So AWS's availability zone architecture hasn't helped in this case?

  • Hamuko a day ago

    We didn't do multi-region deployments, but we did store database backups in a separate region just in case something really bad happened and our AWS region became unavailable. Also had a plan/some ready Terraform stuff in order to start setting up a deployment if it became apparent that the region wasn't coming back anytime soon.

    IMO, if you're using AWS and not replicating your data somewhere else, this should be an eye-opener for you.

    • RamblingCTO a day ago

      Not sure why everyone read this as me doing anything here, I'm a fractional CTO, which is kind of an advisor. Nothing invaluable will be lost tho. It's not the core platform, just a localized version for specific customers in the region.

  • SirFatty a day ago

    You don't already have a DR plan in place?

    • RamblingCTO a day ago

      Of course, no worries. Nothing irreplaceable will be lost ;) It was meant as a general example to be used in future arguments for everybody in tech leadership.

  • chinathrow a day ago

    Any backups?

    • TacticalCoder a day ago

      > Any backups?

      Yup something has to be said too about good old offline backups on fat tapes.

tonyedgecombe a day ago

In the eighties my friends and I used to think we would be the first to go in a nuclear strike because we were close to an American air base. Now I have to worry about living close to an Amazon data centre.

xer a day ago

Lesson learned: If your recovery plan requires calling any API in the dead region — to detach an IP, describe a route table, launch an instance, read an S3 object, or decrypt a volume — it will fail when you need it most.

Every dependency on the primary region is a dependency on the thing that just broke.

jleyank a day ago

Hmmm. We’ve seen the fun that comes from cutting data cables and pipelines. Think that’s been factored in with the asymmetric warfare coming from the Middle East? Perhaps some network assaults as well?

Krugman has pointed out that modern war is bloody expensive. Perhaps resistance will just be helping burn money? Lots of motivated people on one side. And I hope countries are being careful, as a Thirty Years War in the Middle East would suck.

kevincloudsec a day ago

the DR test isn't 'can we run in region B.' it's 'can we cut over to region B when every API call to region A returns a timeout.' most recovery plans assume they can still reach the thing that just broke

r721 a day ago

Related discussion: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=47209781

lyu07282 a day ago

More recent news: https://www.businessinsider.com/amazon-data-centers-middle-e...

> Two facilities in the United Arab Emirates sustained direct hits, while a third facility in Bahrain was damaged by a drone strike "in close proximity,"

Also to add context: AWS has contracts with the US military: "The Joint Warfighting Cloud Capability (JWCC) contract enables AWS to continue providing Department of Defense (DoD) customers with secure, reliable, and mission-critical cloud services." https://aws.amazon.com/federal/defense/jwcc/ Making them a target for retaliation ofc.

  • WJW a day ago

    Amazon is an extremely visible American company, hitting their assets carries a symbolic meaning even if the DoD wouldn't have anything running on that datacentre at all. Iran's trying to transmit a message of "we can destroy your stuff too", trying to impact the general US feeling of invulnerability.

    I don't think it'll work, but they might as well try I guess.

    • randunel a day ago

      > trying to impact the general US feeling of invulnerability

      Or, perhaps, trying to defend themselves? They are being attacked, after all.

      • nixon_why69 a day ago

        It's both, this particular counter-attack is aimed at morale rather than specifically a base launching sorties against them.

        Ultimately, this war ends when America loses the political will to continue, so morale is a strategic objective for them.

      • dotancohen a day ago

        That's why they've been hitting residential buildings and hotels as well? They assume that because their proxies (Hamas, Hezbollah) hide in civilian structures, so does the US army?

        All these attempts to justify Iranian terror demonstrate just how deep Qatari influence online has been. And even Qatar is being attacked by Iran now.

        • kasey_junk a day ago

          Is Hezbollah hiding in the elementary school that got bombed? Perhaps that’s where the Iranian nuclear research was done?

          We attacked them. Full stop. And as far as I can tell we haven’t given them any conditions for when we will stop bombing them. In what moral framework do you have to just accept another sovereign, a vastly more powerful one, invading your country without fighting back?

          • ta20240528 a day ago

            I can't guess what the USA wants other than a distraction from the raping-of- children saga, but I bet Israel would settle for "we acknowledge your right to exist and won't fund or encourage organisations that plan to harm you."

            If Saudi Arabia can get there…

            • kasey_junk a day ago

              The world has seen what Israel does when they’re attacked. They don’t get to set moral frameworks anymore.

              • ta20240528 a day ago

                Agreed. But that wasn't the OP's question.

              • dotancohen a day ago

                Who in your opinion sets the moral framework for defending oneself against an enemy which has sworn genocide and proven capable of destroying entire peaceful villages along their borders?

                • ta20240528 12 hours ago

                  Ah Mr Cohen,

                  Let's re-frame this: what behaviour do you think is beyond the pale for any military?

                  Then, in you heart of hearts, if Israel's IDF ever did that, would you condemn them and demand sanctions, arrest, and imprisonment?

                  If not, then this is a non-falsifiable situation: you are for Israel not matter what, because it's your parent's tribe.

                  So when you are making the list of no-nos above, note that the IDF is already past starving child civilians of food aid and bombing entire residential buildings in Iran.

                  So I'm not sure that behaviour you could find that's beyond the pale.

                  The rest of us have lines we will not cross, regardless of what our enemies do to us; it's the slow march of civilisation.

                  Join us.

                  • dotancohen 10 hours ago

                    The IDF did not starve civilians - that lie has already been disproven. I know that you'd love to repeat it until history records it, but by no objective measure was there famine nor starvation in Gaza. Other than the starvation of Hamas' hostages.

                    The images of "starving children" were images of children with other medical conditions. The UN reports used a metric that considered starvation at HALF the threshold used in every other conflict zone, and even with that metric only found "evidence" in a single location once.

                    • ta20240528 6 hours ago

                      … but they did bomb apartment buildings in Tehran. I saw that with my own eyes.

                      Stick to the challenge: what won't you accept? Nothing?

                      • dotancohen 4 hours ago

                        I accept the bombing of buildings which house those who have declared "Death to America, Death to Israel", and then have proceeded to bomb apartment buildings in Beit Shemesh.

                • JasonADrury 6 hours ago

                  There are no peaceful villages in Israel, they exist only due to recent violence.

                • arbitrary_name 18 hours ago

                  you're describing Israel here, right?

            • JasonADrury 6 hours ago

              Why should Israel have a right to exist? And under what parameters? Within which borders? Who gets citizenship?

              Surely there's no moral case to be made for Israel having a right to exist in its current religious ethnostate form? People who presumably should have citizenship due to their ties to the land area are excluded because they believe in the wrong ancient delusions.

            • pydry 21 hours ago

              israel will never be reasonable. we can bully them or appease them but they cannot be reasoned with.

              appeasement is seemingly having the same effect it did when chamberlain did it.

          • Symbiote 21 hours ago

            It's not quite as clear-cut as it might first seem.

            The school was either within or bordering a military barracks, depending which way you wish to spin it.

            Al-Jazeera's article has obvious bias, but plenty of pictures and diagrams:

            https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2026/3/3/questions-over-minab...

          • cced a day ago

            > We attacked them

            During negotiations, for the second time.

            • dotancohen a day ago

              Negotiations during which the Iranians continuously stalled and continued their nuclear work. The threat of attack was part of the US negotiation strategy, and the Iranians thought they would call the "bluff". They were wrong.

              • LAC-Tech 18 hours ago

                Gentiles have a right to defend themselves.

                • dotancohen 12 hours ago

                  Which is exactly why I expect the Americans to destroy the nuclear capability of the state that regularly chants "Death to America".

                  • LAC-Tech 12 hours ago

                    Did they chant that before or after hamas beheaded 40 babies? I lose track of all the lies.

                    • dotancohen 10 hours ago

                      Iranians have been chanting "Death to America" for decades. If you are unfamiliar with that well-attested chant, then I think you are unqualified to declare opinions about this conflict.

                      • LAC-Tech 8 hours ago

                        They have been chanting "down with America" - that does not mean "murder every single person in America with their missiles (which can't reach America)"

                        "Death to" is a mistranslation of "marg bar", a phrase that is also applied to traffic, and inflation.

                        Do the Iranians want to kill all traffic and all... inflation?

                        We no longer believe your lies.

          • atsaloli a day ago

            The primary condition is giving up nuclear ambitions.

            • randunel 20 hours ago

              Quid pro quo? Whoever requests that of others must do the same.

            • LAC-Tech a day ago

              It is too late, Israel already has nuclear weapons.

              • nxm 21 hours ago

                Israel doesn’t want to wipe off Iran off the map, unlike Iran’s stance

                • LAC-Tech 18 hours ago

                  Hasbara.

                  Over 20 years ago the president of Iran talked about "the regime occupying jerusalem must dissappear from the pages of time".

                  IE they want regime change in Israel - which is exactly what the Israelis want in Iran.

                  The difference is Iran is a more responsible international actor and has not started two wars based on this pretext.

                  So yes, I trust a nuclear armed Iran much, much more than I trust a nuclear armed Israel.

                  • latentsea 15 hours ago

                    You'd trust a country that funds terrorist organizations with nukes? Let's not put you in charge...

                    • stevenwoo 12 hours ago

                      Israel supports Hamas financially several times, a.) so they can justify a crackdown on Palestinians b.) to weaken the other political groups in Palestine that wanted to negotiate with Israel so only the most radical group is left to represent Palestinians, right wing Israeli assassinated the prime minister who negotiated a peace deal with PLO and the right wing is now in represented at top o government in Israel.

                      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israeli_support_for_Hamas

                      random sampling of newspaper articles about Israel's support of Hamas

                      https://www.jpost.com/israel-news/benjamin-netanyahu/article...

                      https://www.nytimes.com/2023/12/10/world/middleeast/israel-q...

                    • LAC-Tech 15 hours ago

                      Israel funded terrorist organisations in Syria, and in Palestine itself - most famously the group Hamas.

                      Many of the terrorist groups Iran funds operates in areas illegally occupied by the Israeli military, making them legitimate resistance fighters.

                      And Israel itself is a terrorist state - they achieved independence via the actions of Jewish terrorist groups in Palestine like Igrun, Lehi - which included several future Israeli Prime Ministers as members.

                      So no, I do not trust Israel with nukes - they should be disarmed immediately.

        • throw-the-towel a day ago

          > They assume that because their proxies (Hamas, Hezbollah) hide in civilian structures, so does the US army?

          > Two US Defense Department employees were wounded when an Iranian drone struck a hotel in Bahrain's capital Manama, The Washington Post reported Monday.

          • dotancohen a day ago

            Are you suggesting that two people sleeping in a hotel makes the hotel a valid military target? Because people have been telling Israelis for years that hospitals, mosques, residential apartment buildings, and schools from which rockets are stored and launched are not valid military targets, even when these activities are supported by the building administration and the rocket handlers are clearly visible.

        • bayindirh a day ago

          I believe they have warned that any country offering support will be targeted, even before the attacks began.

          So they are cowards if they do what they say, and they are cowards if they don't do anything.

          What should they do? Evacuate the country and offer the land for free?

        • LAC-Tech a day ago

          I genuinetely do not think Hasbara like this works anymore. The overton window on this has irrevocably shifted since 2023 and it would be a better strategy for you to live within this new reality, rather than making ludicrous claims that the middle eastern country most vehemently trying to shape western views on the region is... Qatar. It just comes across as an obvious projection, and only encourages sentiment that has a real potential to become harmful to you personally.

          That is, unless posts like thos are designed to encourage that sentiment, which I sometimes suspect.

        • lyu07282 a day ago

          > All these attempts to justify Iranian terror

          At the end of the day you have to understand the reality that Iran is a sovereign nation that is going to defend itself. And yes they are hitting residential buildings and hotels with US military personnel present. None of this is terrorism, this is a nation state retaliating after an attack on their nation, you have to understand this basic concept, actions have consequences.

          This is not propaganda, you are just willfully ignorant. If you want to destroy Iran you have to take retaliation into account, everything else is just propaganda, what do you expect them to do instead? Just lie down and take it?

          You can't use retaliation of the nation you attacked as justification of why the attack was justified, its circular logic, this is textbook propaganda you are repeating.

        • XorNot a day ago

          I mean if you want to put your geopolitical blinkers on, sure...but how to beat America is old news at this point: cause casualties however you can, and wait for the US to give up.

          Complain about it all you want but what are you going to do? The US is already bombing them.

          Perhaps all of this goes into the big bucket labelled "war is expensive and unpredictable, maybe try diplomacy?"

          Which the current administration has made a note of promptly tearing up prior agreements with everyone anyway so...whoops I guess.

      • keybored a day ago

        America is so unused to being attacked (counter-attacked) that this needs to be explained apparently.

      • avereveard a day ago

        they have been engaging in hybrid warfare for decade+ they don't get to play victim this is the result of their continued proxy attacks

    • bayindirh a day ago

      > I don't think it'll work, but they might as well try I guess.

      Consider this from the eyes of the people living there. Your world is peaceful one day and burning tomorrow. It doesn't have to be "burning like hell", but something came from the sky, entered your building, exploded and damaged some stuff to the extent that fire-supression triggered and damaged more things.

      Even if it's not a trauma, it's a shock. Something you'll be remembering for a long time. We live in fragile bubbles, but don't know it until we experience it pop. While this might not make them "win" the war, it'll leave a mark and make the affected persons' ears perch up to understand what's happening better.

      Please note, I'm not from either side. I'm a close observer because of where I live, and still believe that this should have not happened.

      • seydor a day ago

        Especially when 90% of the population are immigrants having no emotional ties to the ground

        • bayindirh a day ago

          Yeah, it'll definitely trigger "why am I here and putting up with this" response in some people, and that's a breaking point for many of them.

    • eb0la a day ago

      Not just Amazon - I guess the Oil and gas industry is now run on the cloud. They used to have big SGI machines 30 years ago... but I bet everything is on the cloud now using GPUs.

      • bayindirh a day ago

        I tend to believe that they still have their own clusters. For speed and privacy reasons. You don't want to give away the location of the oil you have found.

        • arbitrary_name 18 hours ago

          i have helped several major oil and companies migrate core infrastructure to the cloud.

          plus, by the time you steal data relating to seismic surveys and reservoir analysis, you're years to late to exploit it as a competitor.

  • globalnode a day ago

    us govt and big business have always worked hand in hand, they compliment each other.

rcakebread 11 hours ago

First outage postmortem with actual mortem.

butler14 a day ago

Any chance this is causing the claude issues directly/indirectly?

hagbard_c a day ago

Typical BBC reporting: Amazon's cloud computing business says drones have hit three of its facilities in the United Arab Emirates (UAE) and Bahrain following US and Israeli strikes against Iran at the weekend. The incidents occurred on Sunday morning, with Amazon Web Services (AWS) saying at the time that ''objects'' had hit a data centre in the UAE, creating ''sparks and fire''. Also on Sunday, AWS said it was investigating power and connectivity issues at a facility in Bahrain. On Monday, the company confirmed that drone strikes had caused the outages.

Notice how they do not mention that the facilities were damaged by Iranian attacks on the UAE and Bahrain but following US and Israeli strikes against Iran at the weekend.

  • hagbard_c 21 hours ago

    Somewhat OT but it remains remarkable how the knee-jerk down-vote-button brigade feels the need to vote down a totally unrelated post on getting a refund for a Microsoft Home Server [1] and one on the relation between hardware + low-level systems software capabilities versus applications software just because I happened to voice an opinion outside of their desired narrative. Grow up, people. If your opinions are so weakly founded that you feel the need to 'punish' those who dare to voice dissent you should get some more soundly founded ones.

    [1] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=47234722

    [2] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=47235349

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