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70 points by harshdoesdev 4 hours ago · 21 comments · 1 min read

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Shuru is a lightweight sandbox that spins up Linux VMs on macOS using Apple's Virtualization.framework. Boots in about a second on Apple Silicon, and everything is ephemeral by default. There's a checkpoint system for when you do want to persist state, and sandboxes run without network access unless you explicitly allow it. Single Rust binary, no dependencies. Built it for sandboxing AI agent code execution, but it works well for anything where you need a disposable Linux environment.

josephg 2 hours ago

What does local first mean in this context? Does it just mean local? Like, the software runs locally?

  • harshdoesdevOP 2 hours ago

    yeah, it just means everything runs on your machine. there are services like E2B, sprites.dev and others that give you sandboxes in the cloud. shuru runs VMs locally using Apple's Virtualization.framework, so nothing leaves your Mac.

  • userbinator 8 minutes ago

    Unfortunately yes. It's just another stupid marketing buzzword these days.

7777777phil 2 hours ago

The agent stack is splitting into specialized layers and sandboxing is clearly becoming its own thing. Shuru, E2B, Modal, Firecracker wrappers.

Earlier this month I wrote about how these layers have very different defensibility profiles and why going monolithic is the wrong call: https://philippdubach.com/posts/dont-go-monolithic-the-agent...

EDIT: Spelling

rishabhaiover an hour ago

I've noticed claude forks parallel agents on an assigned task. How would they communicate in isolated sandboxes like these? Would it be cleaner and more effective for a harness to orchestrate swarms of agents in a single clean linux environment like OrbStack?

  • harshdoesdevOP an hour ago

    haven't thought about multi-agent communication yet. each sandbox is fully isolated which is the point. checkpoints help a bit here though, you can branch multiple agents from the same checkpoint so they all start from the same state.

    • rishabhaiover an hour ago

      I think I made a cursory and incorrect assumption. Given this is backed by Apple's Virtualization, it has POSIX compliance and forks/execs are allowed within the sandbox which can support agent parallelization within a sandbox I believe.

      Looks like a great project at surface!

xrd 2 hours ago

What is the benefit of this over lima, for example?

  • harshdoesdevOP 2 hours ago

    Lima can do a lot of what shuru does if you set it up for it. the difference is mostly in defaults and how much you have to configure upfront. with shuru you get ephemeral VMs, no networking, and a clean rootfs on every run without touching a config file. shuru run and you're in. Checkpoints and branching are built into the CLI rather than being an experimental feature you have to figure out. Lima is a much bigger and more mature project though. Shuru is something I am building partly to learn and partly because I wanted something with saner defaults for this specific use case.

    • enneff an hour ago

      Thanks for doing this. I had basically the same experience with Lima. It is very nice but the defaults are not what I want, and I don't like having to wonder whether I turned off the stuff that I don't want enabled. Better that everything is disabled by default and I selectively turn things on (like networking) as I need them.

      I'm gonna give shuru a try. My main concern is being based on Alpine (seemingly the only option?) I may not be able to easily pull in the dependencies for the projects I'm working on, but I'll see how it goes.

      • harshdoesdevOP 42 minutes ago

        glad to hear it, that's exactly the thinking behind it. alpine is the only option right now yeah. what kind of dependencies are you running into issues with? would help me figure out what to prioritize next.

        • enneff 10 minutes ago

          I haven't yet - just generally I have found it a bit of a hassle to figure out which packages to install whenever I use a different distro. I'll let you know how it goes!

tobyhinloopen an hour ago

Neat! I was looking for something like this

conradev 2 hours ago

Use OrbStack. It’s faster than Virtualization.framework because it has its own hypervisor.

Krisso 2 hours ago

Why was using straigt containers not enough?

  • harshdoesdevOP 2 hours ago

    containers work fine for a lot of this. shuru is just what felt more natural to me. less config overhead and i wanted to learn by building it.

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