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US funding for global internet freedom 'effectively gutted'

theguardian.com

66 points by xyzal 6 hours ago · 53 comments

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yorwba 4 hours ago

For a list of projects funded by the Open Technology Fund, see https://www.opentech.fund/projects-we-support/supported-proj... Includes well-known entities like the Tor Browser and F-Droid, but also plenty of stuff I never heard of before.

ben_w 2 hours ago

While also claiming they'll put up a VPN to give people unfettered access to social media websites now that lots of nations are putting more restrictions on them: https://www.reuters.com/world/us-plans-online-portal-bypass-...

  • RobotToaster 2 hours ago

    So they're cutting funding for TOR while making a shitty version?

    • xyzalOP 2 hours ago

      A version only facilitating access to sites friendly to the Mad King and friends. No Fediverse for you!

mvdwoord 2 hours ago

If it is so important, why are we relying on the US to fund it? Maybe it is not that important? Maybe this program is not a pillar for 'internet freedom', maybe, as we can clearly see, most of the world (including the EU) has no real interest in 'internet freedom'..

Don't get me wrong, I personally very much think freedom (internet or otherwise) is very important, and valuable. But the tone where Orange Man Bad pulls funding for ostensibly super duper important projects is such a bore. Maybe in stead of pointing out how bad this move is, we should be doing something about it? Oh wait we are busy clamping down on "hate speech" and blocking "dangerous" social media such as X.

  • cyanydeez an hour ago

    Write me a sonnet on how proliferating child pornography is really free speech.

cyclecount 5 hours ago

These programs were largely about ensuring that American propaganda can reach people in Iran or similar places. This is no longer considered an issue, and the focus is now on reducing young American’s exposure to alternative geopolitical narratives. This strategy also aligns with the US government’s trend of aggressive privatization; an israeli billionaire will happily pay for the privilege of content moderation on american social media platforms, saving the tax payer money. Win win.

  • joe_mamba 4 hours ago

    >These programs were largely about ensuring that American propaganda can reach people in Iran or similar places.

    This. The og point of USAID wasn't AID as per the name would misleadingly let you believe, but spreading pro-US anti-USSR propaganda, and only like 3% of that program was spent on actual AID, like food and medicine for the third world, but most of it went to funding media, news and journalists across LatAm, Asia, Africa dn EE, that would push domestic support in those regions for US policies and be critical of US adversaries.

    US doesn't fund "freedom" of anything out of selflessness, it funds policies that are guaranteed to benefit it over its rivals, and use the word "freedom" to legitimize it. Once those benefits no longer materialize, the funding also goes away.

    • Cipater an hour ago

      >only like 3% of that program was spent on actual AID, like food and medicine for the third world, but most of it went to funding media, news and journalists across LatAm, Asia, Africa dn EE, that would push domestic support in those regions for US policies and be critical of US adversaries.

      3%? There was a lot of waste with the program but surely, please give this at least 30 seconds of thought.

      • joe_mamba an hour ago

        My bad, it was 5-15% of USAID that went towards food aid to countries in need.

    • BLKNSLVR 3 hours ago

      Makes the future interestingly unpredictable other than the inevitable fading of the US-isation of the rest of the world.

      • joe_mamba 3 hours ago

        >US-isation of the rest of the world

        Growing up in a post-communist country, Hollywood and the US music and gaming industry had more impact on the "US-isation of our country" than USAID propaganda, back then.

        But today most of Hollywood productions and music coming out of the US is pure trash that people abroad now reject it as propaganda garbage.

        US destroyed its global soft power, not by defunding USAID, but by forcibly injecting unpopular ideologies into its entertainment industry instead of sticking to tried and true formulas, ideals and values that transcend cultural and language barriers.

        • boelboel 39 minutes ago

          Most Hollywood production has always been trash. US shows are still very popular and influential. Many countries are just richer post 2000s, subsidize their movie industry and it's way easier to distribute movies internationally compared to 30 years ago. Barrier to entry in general has gone down. Pretending woke is the main reason ignores many things.

        • lyu07282 3 hours ago

          > forcibly injecting unpopular ideologies

          Oh the right-wing propaganda of decrying "wokeness" in pop culture that "replaces" good old white christian culture is very much an export you fell victim to as well. It promotes far-right "alternative" political parties, useful to the US all the same..

          • u_sama 3 hours ago

            Most of the world is conservative by Hollywood liberal standards. Also injecting ideology is the least of concerns, it is just that they objectively produce shit compared to movies in 1995. All reruns, and remasters and basically living on the rent of old glories. There is a palpable lack of talent due to the political climate as well as reduced risk appetite to bet on young or transgressive directors/writers/actors. Now more innovative and interesting movies are coming from Korea and Turkey for example.

            You could produce the most uber-woke movie possible and it would be loved as long as it was good art or had a legitimate good story.

            • joe_mamba 3 hours ago

              >Most of the world is conservative by Hollywood liberal standards.

              Even most of America is conservative by Hollywood's standards, let alone the rest of the world. The writers in Hollywood (and Cali HN users too), forget, or intentionally omit, that the rest of the world is not like in their bubble, so they think they can change to fit their world view by injecting products and entertainment with their propaganda, and when they inevitably fail, call their customers nazis, racists and *fobes.

              People want to consume entertainment for escapism from the outdoor problems, not to be lectured by them. They especially don't want to be lectured by wealthy, suburban, college educated people, living in white-majority gated communities.

    • mopsi 3 hours ago

        > only like 3% of that program was spent on actual AID, like food and medicine for the third world, but most of it went to funding media, news and journalists across LatAm, Asia, Africa dn EE
      
      Source please. This doesn't pass the smell test, because the largest expenses in international aid programs are usually related to healthcare and agriculture. Propaganda is very cheap compared to producing and distributing malaria drugs or grain to the most remote corners of the world or building water sanitation plants in places that have no roads and no electricity.
  • ibotty 3 hours ago

    Really important to first, pick that example of content moderation and then point out that he's an Israeli. Maybe think about why you used that example when there are countless others regarding free speech/internet freedom.

    • lyu07282 3 hours ago

      I would point to the opposite bias, the guardian mentions Chinese surveillance tech exported to Africa, but makes no mention of Israeli spyware exports. The Israeli export of civil repression technology, expertise and training is actually very well documented, having a lot of practice with such oppression domestically.

      • ibotty 3 hours ago

        As if the guardian was overly pro-Israeli. I would argue that it makes more sense in that context to mention Chinese surveillance tech, because it's not an ally of the US.

        • lyu07282 3 hours ago

          I would think it's very much important to point out the double standard, it's an ally of the west so it's fine if they do it, but not if china does it because they are the "enemy". That's all what the comment you accused of antisemitism was doing.

          • ibotty 3 hours ago

            Well, double standard is of course a thing (like accusing the only democracy for not being democratic enough without saying anything about much more oppressive regimes around; but also about surveillance in one place and also another). I think it is to make a different point though.

            This funding from the US was to get around surveillance (everywhere), so it makes sense to argue, that a rival global player exports surveillance tech, because the funded tech is to counter that. That argument would not work with Israeli surveillance tech.

    • Dig1t 3 hours ago

      It’s extremely relevant. The Trump admin just facilitated the sale of TikTok to an ardent Zionist for an incredibly cheap price, and Netanyahu himself gave a talk saying it was the most important event in the “eighth front” of their war. Same just happened with CBS.

      Larry Ellison (the new owner of TikTok) personally vetted Marco Rubio for fealty to Israel.

      https://www.reddit.com/r/LabourUK/comments/1nww6cp/larry_ell...

      The United States is days away from going to war with Iran on behalf of Israel, which makes this even more important.

      Israeli mega donors Miriam Adelson, Larry Ellison, Ronald Lauder, etc, have given Trump literally hundreds of millions of dollars in campaign donations to facilitate this special treatment of Israel and to help transfer control of these media orgs to Israelis. They have all stated openly that this is the case.

  • geraneum 4 hours ago

    > American propaganda can reach people in Iran

    > American’s exposure to alternative geopolitical narratives

    In the same breath!

    • js8 4 hours ago

      I downvoted you because I don't understand the point you're trying to make.

      • krige 3 hours ago

        (G)GP does the classic "it's freedom fighting when we're doing it". Either call both propaganda, or call both alternative narratives, otherwise your bias is blatantly showing.

        • modo_mario 3 hours ago

          I think especially the billionaire bit made it clear to me that he's not being serious.

      • NooneAtAll3 3 hours ago

        it's the good ol' "calling one side propaganda, but the other narrative" gasp, but reversed from usual western pov

        so it's a downvote either for consistency (and neutrality) or for the sake of lol :)

  • wewxjfq 4 hours ago

    A program that helped people evade real censorship is "feeding them US propaganda" and social media awash with state-sponsored trolls tearing our societies apart is "an alternative geopolitical narrative" - bit of a spin, isn't it?

  • lollobomb 3 hours ago

    Exactly this. The fact that you got downvoted tells a lot about how much political propaganda has infiltrated HN.

Propelloni 2 hours ago

I'm not worried, freedom.gov will save us all! /s

jongjong 4 hours ago

Meh, just another 'non-profit' selectively giving away boatloads of taxpayer money... Goodbye!

renewiltord 4 hours ago

As The Guardian has previously pointed out https://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/apr/03/us-cuban-twitt...: USAID and these orgs were "undermining Cuba's communist government". Now it's time to celebrate. People will now be free to live as they wish under communism or whatever else they choose. It is not for us to choose whether people want to be invaded by Russia or ruled by Castro. If they don't want this, let them choose otherwise.

End all American foreign interference.

  • Cipater an hour ago

    Better to have the foreign interference done directly by the President himself along with his family and cronies for personal gain.

bugsense 4 hours ago

More like "freedom".

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