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ReferenceFinder: Find coordinates on a piece of paper with only folds

mutsuntsai.github.io

80 points by icwtyjj 3 months ago · 13 comments

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srean 2 months ago

Folding is more powerful than ruler and compass constructions. One can do cube roots, angle trisections and more.

Coincidentally enough, I had mentioned straight edge and ruler constructions in a different thread a few minutes ago

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=47112418

Related older thread

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=45222882

Ecco 2 months ago

That is really cool. I wish it had an animated video to display the result, that'd be even easier to follow and therefore even more impressive.

JKCalhoun 2 months ago

I enjoy when HN surfaces out-of-the-box type stuff like this. Very cool.

amelius 2 months ago

Is this brute forcing, or is there more to it?

  • PowerElectronix 2 months ago

    There's more to it. Origami as a calculation tool is more powerful than compass and straight edge.

    • CrazyStat 2 months ago

      Is there? I followed the link[1] to the original author of the desktop software this web app is derived from, and he says:

      > To make a long story short, by the third generation of ReferenceFinder (written in 2003), I had incorporated all 7 of the Huzita-Justin Axioms of folding into the program, allowing it to potentially explore all possible folding sequences consisting of sequential alignments that each form a single crease in a square of paper. Of course, the family tree of such sequences grows explosively (or to be precise, exponentially); but the concomitant growth in the availability of computing horsepower has made it possible to explore a reasonable subset of that exponential family tree, and in effect, by pure brute force, find a close approximation to any arbitrary point or line within a unit square using a very small number of folds.

      (emphasis added)

      [1] https://langorigami.com/article/referencefinder/

      • PowerElectronix 2 months ago

        There's brute force involved, but it's not brute force by itself. It's like a chess engine, which yes, it checks thousands of positions, but only after filtering out hundreds of thousands of positions.

        • CrazyStat 2 months ago

          Are you involved in writing or maintaining this software? If so can you provide some more details on this “filtering”? Because I skimmed the source code [1] and it looks to me like it’s pure brute force building a database of lines and points up to a certain rank (number of operations required to create that line/point) and then searching through it.

          [1] https://github.com/MuTsunTsai/reference-finder-cpp/blob/main...

          • PowerElectronix 2 months ago

            No, you are right. The author even uses the expression "by pure brute force". I just supposed it would given that virrually every number a user would input is constructible with foldings.

analog8374 2 months ago

Folding could be called a superset of measuring.

Measuring could be called a special case of folding (it's an accordian fold)

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