Inside Epstein’s network: what 1.4M emails reveal
economist.comI can't even imagine being such a prolific emailer, even just one liners. Damn
Have about 20 emails daily, 6000 a year… obviously for 1.4 million emails more than one person is needed. And much more than one when I see all the other activities day and night going on in parallel.
Right? Obviously didn’t have enough real work to do. Idle hands make… idk, you just chill out if you don’t like rape
That was his real work. He's a social network for the davos crowd.
Jack Blanchard in the Politico podcast (almost as good as Odd Lots if you're fine with listening to stuff at 2x speed on commutes) remarked that one of the most important aspects of the response to the publicization of the first 2% of the Epstein Files is that it may be a watershed moment where the better parts of citizen journalism have become completely competitive with institutional journalism, due heavily to the faster turnaround times of the former.
It's hard to see conventional pipelines doing a faster job of parsing scattered mentions of rare phrases like 'jerky' across a million documents than the competitive environment of individual entrepreneurialism could.
The amount of breathless conclusion jumping from citizen journalists has been completely bananas as well. I had to tell a friend of mine to take a break from it.
The level of tinfoil hat theories (example: cannibalism) which people are now taking as the truth off of which to build more theories is really something. The unfortunate thing is - in our current environment, the crazy speculation and knowingly dealing in just shit you made up seems to actually pay off when pressuring public officials.
I am glad the files were released. A lot of people have a lot of explaining to do. I don't actually think this ends up going anywhere, but we'll see.
> The amount of breathless conclusion jumping from citizen journalists has been completely bananas as well.
I saw a video on Instagram claiming (or at least insinuating) that Epstein had access to all of Lifetouch's photos, because "the company is in the Epstein files!". Turns out, it was a single line item for $109 in what looked like banking records. In comparison, that same selection of files mentioned Whole Foods ~250 times.
For those outside the US, Lifetouch does school photos for about half the schools in the US (or something like that) so you can understand how that's a thread that conspiracy theorists can pull on. But there's nothing there. Just a single payment to the company in a sea of thousands and thousands of normal, every day purchases.
who. fucking. cares. systematic child abuse has been covered up for decades, across multiple administrations. THE PRESIDENT IS NAMED HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS OF TIMES.
LET ME REPEAT. WHO CARES. I don't blame a single god damn person for getting wrapped up in conspiracies.
There is a book “Nothing Is True and Everything Is Possible” which you might want to consider before deciding truth doesn’t matter anymore. It describes an explicit strategy by the Kremlin to poison the information landscape with lies, half truths, and conspiracies. And amplify conflicting narratives.
Eventually people stop caring about what is true anymore.
> Eventually people stop caring about what is true anymore.
In the age of easy to fake video, photos, audio, etc, who wouldn't be?
Except you and everyone you agree with I'm sure
nixosbestos’s comment was in response to a post about how an arbitrary brand new conspiracy theory didn’t have compelling evidence in the emails. It seems like saying “who cares” to what kind of reads like “technically there’s an infinite amount of conspiracy theories that aren’t proven in the emails” is saying the opposite of “truth doesn’t matter”
> (example: cannibalism) which people are now taking as the truth
I haven’t seen any indication of “people that didn’t previously believe in cannibal elites now believe in cannibal elites after reading the emails” being a phenomenon that actually exists.
I’ve yet to interact with anyone that has seriously said “I didn’t believe they ate babies on Tuesday but it is Thursday and now I believe they were eating babies.” but people are posting like that’s a thing that happens frequently now. It’s almost like the tinfoil hat theory I’ve seen the most isn’t “pedophile cannibals” but rather “reading the emails will make you go crazy and start believing in cannibal pedophiles” like they are an actual real-life Lovecraftian hazard, which is a much more outlandish idea than… kooks and hucksters continuing to be kooks and hucksters.
This, and also a lot of antisemitism seems to have been enabled.
Not shocking that this is downvoted around here. On X and the amount of anti-semitic content this is fueling is scary.
As a Jewish person, I can't help feel that the magnitude of the outrage is because Epstein and quite a few of his associates were rich Jews.
Not to downplay what they did as it was horrible, but I don't recall similar levels of outrage about all the scandals in the Catholic Church.
Epstein isn't the first person to be involved in sex trafficking. Every big city in the world has it and it is even legal in some countries, not to mention that Pedophilia as the term is being used in the Epstein case is basically legal in most European countries with the age of consent at 15 and even 14 in some cases.
It's hard not to feel like a lot of people want to paint a picture that Jews are especially depraved and amoral.
>It's hard not to feel like a lot of people want to paint a picture that Jews are especially depraved and amoral.
That is because it is true, a lot of people do want to paint all Jews like that. People would probably find the catholic church stuff even juicier if the vatican was running an intelligence agency that brokers with most other western intelligence agencies with these same rapists.
The thing with Epstein is that he really seems heavily connected to intelligence. Maxwells dad is alleged to be a Mossad agent. There are pictures of him in meetings in his office with a map of Israel, gaza, and the west bank on the wall. There are FBI documents that allege epstein himself was at least at one point a Mossad agent.
So you have this compelling israeli intelligence angle. The fact that global elites genuinely partied with this man. All the history of the case from the sweetheart plea deal in 2007 that stopped the federal investigation at the time in its tracks and granted immunity for potentially involved parties, the fact he was never actually convicted before he died (even that is suspect), the fact that outside Maxwell no one has been arrested.
I mean it really quacks like a tin foil hat global elite conspiracy. That is what makes this story so damn juicy and compelling. It isn't just a couple priests getting their rocks off with some alter boys, but an entire systematic thing where its looking like this guy was not only trafficking girls but running some sort of Bene Gesserit esque breeding program impregnating teenagers he thought had good genetic traits.
You couldn't even write this stuff into a movie it is so wild and hardly believable if it wasn't coming from DOJ evidence respositories.
There’s also a lot of self censorship happening in the mass media.
and a lot of actual censorship
jimmy kimmel didn't self censor himself off the air
For example the Israel connection, for obvious reasons but you get censored/flagged here too if you mention that part ofc
Institutional journalism has done everything in its power to kill this story for 7 years. You don't need a fast turnaround time when the fourth estate is also busy protecting the wealthy. Note how we have all the goods on Matt Gaetz and everyone just conveniently forgot about him because daddy knows who to buy off. DOJ has all the time to pursue rinky dink charges against Letitia James for what would be at best a losing civil case by her lender but we can't go after a known sex trafficker with good connections.
The degree to which this is true is I think still underestimated, and comments like these need more upvotes.
You don’t need to appeal to shadowy cabals to explain why media professionals have been desperate for this stuff to not be true (and why, every day these days, you can still read examples of them absolutely writhing as they are obliged by public outrage to continue to report on it).
All you really need is to remember that a) they have mortgages to pay, too, so why rock the boat, and b) the people who end up writing for the WSJ and the people who end up in Jeffrey’s rolodex are by and large the same class of people. They went to the same colleges, they consume similar culture and media, they play the same games of keep up with the joneses, they read the Economist on their days off and fret over Gen Z slang and wonder whether the Chase card or the Amex will get them enough airline miles to fly to London for free with their spouse etc etc. They recognize themselves in the “Epstein class” — not in their crimes, but in their manners. So why would they be party to showing the world that class is so profoundly rotten? It’d give the lie to their whole lifestyle.
(And yes, to anticipate a critique here, of course there’s a difference between a producer at NBC and a billionaire! Not denying that. But they are cut from the exact same cultural and social cloth. The best proof of this is in the Epstein files themselves: not in the creepy or criminal bits, but in the mundane stuff. How he talks, what’s on his mind, the advice he gives, etc. It’s all American upper middle class humdrum stuff.)
You'd think this would be the story of the century, and that every news outlet would be running it 24/7 and falling all over each other to scoop new information. Child sex trafficking to wealthy and/or well known celebrities and government officials, including the actual president of the US! What news agency in the world wouldn't be salivating for something like this?
Yet, here we are, no media wants to report on it, and they all wish that we all just forget about it and go back to buying khakis.
All that stuff about rule of law and exceptionalism was just freedom theater.
That's an interesting point in general. On this particular topic I would go so far as to say that the citizen journalists are far more than what professional journalists are producing. I would guess that this is more a function of the idiosyncrasies of this particular data source. Most journalists are experts in tracking down hearsay and getting specific people to talk. The house Epstein email releases are just a massive pile of open data where someone with a more data-centric background can walk in and apply their skills.
Massive piles of documents, released erratically and possessing apparently random and sloppy redactions with inconsistent formatting rules are a common tactic in some corporate cases as well, since they intend to wear down opposing counsel through exploitation of reptile theory.
AFAICT it's not well considered by DoJ that this works roughly in proportion to the technical aptitude of opposing counsel. The public has excellent technical aptitude when motivated and none otherwise and this is clearly a situation of motivation.
Hmm, maybe, but who’s really in control here?
1) The slow and steady institutional journalists who are reporting on the government
2) The fast and loose citizen journalists who are reporting on the government
3) The government who is saturating the attention of both of them while they look for something that exists in the 98% portion of unreleased documentation about government wrongdoing
I mean who’s the idiot? Maybe it’s the government interns who need to read 100% to release 2%.
There’s actually more, though the Justice Department is deleting them in real time. The Justice Department used the same filenames for pdfs and the source media so hours of surveillance video from Epstein’s last days in custody was available as well as videos from all his devices including censored child porn with some of the other pedophiles unredacted. https://old.reddit.com/r/Epstein/comments/1qx81dj/type_this_...
dropsitenews has been doing much better reporting than most outlets.
> dropsitenews has been doing much better reporting than most outlets.
Never heard of them, started browsing the site just now. Very impressed so far.
I have a lot of sympathy for this man:
The outlier where name recognition on the ballot is not an advantage?
Honestly I’ve been sick to my stomach these past few days. I wasn’t even looking for the files and saw some in my feed on Reddit.
Basically take the most sad and disturbing Eastern European horror and put it in email form.
I had to stop my Seinfeld rewatch because I saw one email were he just happened to be boating by and stopped by the island for lemonade.
The richest people and political elite were openly trading prices on children, leaving rave reviews on child services and how great that torture film was that was sent
Its sick
> were
Happening before JE, happening now.
Jimmy Savile, same thing.
Your distress may be related to your low standard of alarm. There's no evidence that Seinfeld replied let alone accepted.
Go look at the photos and tell me that everyone is overreacting. If anything people are under reacting.
After the 3-4th blacked out little girl showing her genitals so they can be sold, I’m going to go out on a limb and say that if someone is connected to the island they need to be thoroughly investigated. That’s not a stretch.
Replies like yours are what’s sick downplaying the most prolific industrial child rape in modern America and only one person is sitting in prison. And none of the customers.
I haven't seen those photos. Are they so bad that they justify smearing someone who was only mentioned in a huge trove and regardless of context? Will I go into a righteous omnidirectional rage if I see them too?
I didn’t smear anyone. I said I stopped my rewatch.
After investigating Jerry further, yeah dating a 17 year old high schooler and picking her up after school is equal distressing.
So thank you for your astute analysis and defense of a person who drove to a high school to have a physical relationship 21 years younger but I’ll hold off on watching Seinfeld for now. If that’s not too controversial.
How low we have become to do nothing about it? No arrests no convictions?
What do you mean?
I understand the reporting is like "LOOK AT ALL THESE CRIMES" but the files themselves are stuff like "Tee hee I know some girls for you".
How do you get from that to an arrest or conviction? If you unredacted that person, identified them and called them would they tell you that the girls were all 18 or older? Or would they incriminate themselves? Do you know it hasn't already been followed up on?
I honestly dont understand what people are expecting here.
> How do you get from that to an arrest or conviction?
You do an investigation
> Do you know it hasn't already been followed up on?
Yes because that would be a part of these files. It’s not disputed that at minimum any leads, including victim testimonies, were not followed up.
>It’s not disputed that at minimum any leads, including victim testimonies, were not followed up.
I would love a source that discusses this.
There's an great photo of Pam Bondi avoiding looking at all the Epstein victims when they raise their hands to indicate that they have not been contacted by the Justice Department to follow up their complaints, it is only a day or two old.
> I honestly dont understand what people are expecting here.
An investigation...?
Pam Bondi said if the DOJ went after everyone the whole system would collapse is why.
Actually, no she didn't, but a lot of people are saying she did.
Which is a weird thing to make up given that there’s already so many horrible bytes to choose from that aren’t fabricated.
Snopes confirms this: https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/bondi-epstein-files-system...
But everyone knows Snopes is leftist propaganda, so it's probably false. /s
It is amazing that this has to be confirmed on a website...
Wouldn't there be a clip of her saying it?
No one has even bothered to spend the 25 cents on an AI generated one as far as I've seen.
She is more worried about her own exposure. She can picture the ship sinking but doesn't want to drown with the other rats she helped protect.
She’s won so far, already got away with this twice as Florida AG, didn’t try to go after Epstein when he lived there and after Trump donated 25000 to her, she stopped the prosecution of his TrumpU fraud in Florida. GOP owns Justice Department for three more years and Dems were pretty toothless in previous administration.
Don't be naive, do you really think Pam Bondi has a choice in the release of these files?
She is just a figurehead, her or her family's life is almost certainly under threat
Spot on. Unclear why this is being down voted. Underneath everything related to this "administration" is the implied threat of violence.
Because it's based on no evidence, and framed to imply a government official openly breaking the law is somehow the victim here (The files are already meant to be released by law, many of the redactions are illegal).
If Bondi doesn't want to execute the duties of the office she can resign.
If that's the case, the system deserves to.
> the whole system
If there were democrats on that list, they’d already be in jail.
THERE ARE! BILL CLINTON! NOAM CHOMSKY (if they'd acted faster they could have nabbed him before he died!)
Democrats WANT to see the pedos in our party getting justice! We have no loyalty to our party. We are the party of purity testing and infighting.
Anthony Weiner went down quickly. Cuomo went down quickly. Even folks who didn't deserve it like Al Franken go down quickly!
> We have no loyalty to our party. We are the party of purity testing and infighting.
Or as the rest of the world calls it, “not being a criminal organization”.
> Pam Bondi said if the DOJ went after everyone the whole system would collapse is why.
This is a criminally colluding Pam Bondi saying this. I guarantee that every single person on the Epstein list is replaceable many times over. There is not a single person on that list that is indispensable in any role they play in society. Full stop. Don't fall for it.
It's just the way the system is built. Even Pam Bondi is replaceable (and should be replaced) by many, many actual qualified people.
she, like every other member of the administration is a DEI hire
Save the Borgias !
So she admitted that the whole system is corrupt?
that was a shock to us all
Pam Bondi is trying to play the clock until the hot potato falls in someone else's hands.
Not a single mention of Trump. Really fucking impressive journalism.
Can’t upset the dear leader! Yeah, it was a notable absence and definitely intentional.
Does anyone really think they chose Gmail because they're incompetant or specifically to cause this scene?