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Irish man detained by ICE for 5 months

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182 points by cauliflower99 a month ago · 161 comments

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cdrnsf a month ago

Regardless of the circumstances, if you're not a US citizen I would encourage you to not travel to the US. Even if you _are_ a US citizen you may well be harassed and abused by ICE.

ghouse a month ago

Due process under the US Constitution protects everyone in the US, not just US citizens.

  • ktm5j a month ago

    Actually, thanks to the Illegal Immigration Reform and Immigrant Responsibility Act of 1996 that's not exactly true anymore.

    You can be detained and deported without first seeing a judge.

    • nyeah a month ago

      (1) "Judge" is not necessarily identical with "due process." (2) Congress can't override constitutional protections by passing new laws. That would require a constitutional amendment.

      • _DeadFred_ a month ago

        Also 'immigration judge' is not an Article III Judge for the purposes of Constitutional requirements.

    • idle_zealot a month ago

      A law cannot overturn the Constitution, you need an Amendment for that. In principle, anyway. If you have a Supreme Court that abdicates its duties then you can do whatever you want, at the cost of legitimacy.

      • stackskipton a month ago

        According to Congress and blessed by Supreme Court, immigration law is civil, not criminal and therefore all criminal due process law does not apply.

        It's been that way for over 40 years so yes, according to Congress/SCOTUS, this is legal.

        • jshier a month ago

          The nuances of criminal procedure may not apply, but the fundamental constitutional rights still do, as well as human rights. Indeterminate detention violates both.

          • stackskipton a month ago

            Indeterminate detention without end goal violates the law. However, my guess is process is moving along, just extremely slowly.

            • jshier a month ago

              A distinction without a difference, and it's questionable whether deportation is actually the goal here. If that were the case they could put him on plane today.

              • rayiner a month ago

                They can't put him on a plane without his consent: https://www.universalhub.com/files/attachments/2026/culleton...

                Basically, the guy admits that he overstayed the terms of the Visa Waiver Program, but is arguing that the fact INS started processing his adjustment of status application gives him the right to stay in the U.S. until it's resolved:

                > Culleton concedes he is removable under the VWP. Reply 10. But he argues that because USCIS accepted and began processing his adjustment of status application, he is entitled to due process protections in its fair adjudication. Id. at 9. The Fifth Circuit has foreclosed this very argument, reasoning that the VWP waiver includes a waiver of due process rights. See Mukasey, 555 F.3d at 462. And “[t]he fact that [Culleton] applied for an adjustment of status before the DHS issued its notice of removal is of no consequence.” Id.

                Remember that the whole point of the Visa Waiver Program is that you're conceding up front that you're just visiting and aren't making a claim for asylum or whatever. The idea is that the U.S. makes it easy for you to enter, in return for you agreeing that the U.S. can easily deport you if you overstay.

            • hulitu a month ago

              cough Guantanamo, and other places cough.

              And being detained for months, without trial, really shows the rule of the law

          • _DeadFred_ a month ago

            Law enforcement likes to say "You can beat the rap, but not the ride".

        • darksaints a month ago

          Due process protections also apply in civil law.

  • tim-tday a month ago

    I think you misspoke. “Protects” is a statement of fact which does not resemble current facts. “is supposed to protect” would be more accurate.

    The as built does not currently match the plan provided by the constitution and rule of law. Please see your nearest democratic representative to address the problem.

  • phonon a month ago

    Not according to the 5th Circuit, sadly....

    "The majority stakes the largest detention initiative in American history on the possibility that ‘seeking admission’ is like being an ‘applicant for admission,’ in a statute that has never been applied in this way, based on little more than an apparent conviction that Congress must have wanted these noncitizens detained — some of them the spouses, mothers, fathers, and grandparents of American citizens,” she added. “Straining at a gnat, the majority swallows a camel.”

    https://www.courthousenews.com/fifth-circuit-upholds-trump-a...

    • rayiner a month ago

      The statute is exceedingly clear. Subsection (a) first says: "An alien present in the United States who has not been admitted or who arrives in the United States (whether or not at a designated port of arrival and including an alien who is brought to the United States after having been interdicted in international or United States waters) shall be deemed for purposes of this chapter an applicant for admission."

      Subsection (b)(2)(A) then says: "Subject to subparagraphs (B) and (C), in the case of an alien who is an applicant for admission, if the examining immigration officer determines that an alien seeking admission is not clearly and beyond a doubt entitled to be admitted, the alien shall be detained for a proceeding under section 1229a of this title."

      • jshier a month ago

        That applies to those who step across the border as part of a border crossing or rescue. The court decision applies it to all aliens, which is the never before applied part of GP.

        • rayiner a month ago

          The whole point of subsection (a)(1) is to treat all aliens similarly to those who cross the border for purposes of the chapter. Subsection (a)(1) is titled "Aliens treated as applicants for admission."

          Subsection (a)(1) then says that "[a]n alien present in the United States who has not been admitted or who arrives in the United States ... shall be deemed for purposes of this chapter an applicant for admission."

          Who is covered by the phrase "an alien present in the United States who has not been admitted?" What else could that phrase possibly be referring to?

  • iso1631 a month ago

    It really doesn't. It should of course.

    But SV cheers it on

  • ttfkam a month ago

    If the Executive Branch doesn't care about the Constitution and inconvenient laws when directing the law enforcement agencies under its control, Congress doesn't hold the executive to account by either withholding funds or threatening impeachment, and the SCOTUS majority doesn't try to rein in these acts while seeming to lack the ability to enforce its own decisions, the words printed on the Constitution are just useless ink.

    Elections have consequences, and we're all paying them. Some paying a lot more than others.

xphos a month ago

Court doc was hidden by flagged post [1] https://www.universalhub.com/files/attachments/2026/culleton...

josefritzishere a month ago

Increasingly this seems like a scam intended to re-route my tax dollars into the private prison corporations that donate to the Trump campaign. What purpose other purpose could this possibly serve?

  • pixl97 a month ago

    Getting Americans used to imprisoning every one they want.

  • stevenwoo a month ago

    It's also a small step to just detain and deport anyone remotely eligible who criticizes those in power, criticizes those who support those in power, is a family member of one of the prior mentioned parties, or is not in the preferred range of skin tones for those in power. They already deported a few citizens, oops, that's just going to happen when they have deportation quotas to meet, and let that be a warning to the rest of the uppity citizens with the gumption to protest against them.

  • ozozozd a month ago

    An extremely charitable take. I commend you.

    It’s absolutely a scam intended to route our tax dollars to private prisons. The rest is theater.

    I bet the borders are still open to those who are motivated enough to cross.

    • bakies a month ago

      Trump always brags about "Border Encounters" are 0 suspiciously quickly after he took office. I'm almost certain this is letting people in, while claiming it's secure. Win win.

unethical_ban a month ago

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