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Tea Chemistry (1997)

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83 points by aabiji 8 days ago · 31 comments

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pasc1878 3 days ago

Experiments on how to make tea (well does milk go in before or after) is the original exposition of statistical testing of the null hypothesis.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lady_tasting_tea

blacksmith_tb 2 days ago

Worth mentioning that though tea does contain polyphenols and flavinoids which are good for us (and l-theanine and caffeine which we enjoy introducing to our nervous systems), it's had a much bigger impact on health historically because it required us to heat water to boiling (or near boiling, depending on what kind of tea you're making).

Also, can't miss a chance to spice things up with the mention of adding salt to brewed tea[1]. Which is heretical, but seems palatable to me, though I probably wouldn't do it to good tea.

1: https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-68085304

the-mitr 3 days ago

of possible interest

George Orwell's 11 rules of tea making

https://www.orwellfoundation.com/the-orwell-foundation/orwel...

  • wcfrobert 2 days ago

    > "First of all, one should use Indian or Ceylonese tea. China tea has virtues which are not to be despised nowadays—it is economical, and one can drink it without milk—but there is not much stimulation in it. One does not feel wiser, braver or more optimistic after drinking it. Anyone who has used that comforting phrase ‘a nice cup of tea’ invariably means Indian tea."

    These are some of the worst tea-making tip I've ever seen. I get that taste is subjective and all, but come on... This is like saying:

    "Al Pastor street taco in Mexico has its virtues - it is economical, and one can eat it without salsa - but there is not much stimulation in it. One does not feel wiser, braver or more optimistic after eating it. Anyone who has used that comforting phrase 'a great taco' invariably means Taco Bells"

    CTC tea [1] is inferior in quality. They are mass-produced, brews quick, and tastes way too strong (hence the milk). Tea was invented in China and tea culture goes back thousands of years. India and Sri Lanka only started producing tea in the mid 1800s. Robert Fortune literally dressed up as a Chinese merchant, snuck into some rural village in Fujian, and smuggled some teas back so the British East India Company can cultivate it in and around India.

    [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crush,_tear,_curl

    • chrisjharris 2 days ago

      He's writing from a certain time, place, and culture, in reference to the teas that were available to him at that time. I'm not sure what you're arguing - that black tea didn't subjectively make him feel wiser, braver or more optimistic? And his tips for making black tea are perfectly sound.

      If I remember correctly, he actually wrote that essay because there was a world event that his compatriots were getting outraged about, and this was his way of being provocative by not covering it. But I may have that wrong.

    • tmtvl 2 days ago

      'China tea', yeah because there's no difference between, say, any given wulong and pu'er.

  • ghtbircshotbe 3 days ago

    6 heaping teaspoons of tea per quart of water seems like a lot of tea.

    • Foobar8568 2 days ago

      It depends really on the infusion time.

      Gong Fu brewing method has "worse" ratio but on purpose, a good oolong is marvelous. So is a good Pu'Er or green tea.

    • jayd16 2 days ago

      I guess they're making milk tea so it ends up being as strong as you want.

    • fransje26 3 days ago

      It depends on how much you want to sleep in the coming days..

      • iberator 2 days ago

        You must be from USA. In Europe you give tea even to toddlers and they sleep just fine. You mistook tea for coffee lol (Americans...)

        • t-3 2 days ago

          Coffee usually has about twice as much caffeine per cup as tea, but that depends a lot on the variety of tea and the brewing method/amount used.

        • Foobar8568 2 days ago

          Europeans have a tendency to not make the distinction between herbal infusion and tea... No one is giving tea to toddlers, well I hope not.

  • Foobar8568 2 days ago

    Lot's of red flags in his way of tea making, but what can you expect from a British born in India on foods or drinks.

jfil a day ago

You can brew your tea extremely strong, and get a hallucinogenic prisoner's drink called "Chifir"

wolfi1 3 days ago

quite interesting but I would have expected some insight into the preparation itself as how long do you have to steep, what temperature should the water have, etc

  • teleforce 3 days ago

    The BBC has come up with an excellent short documentary on how to perform proper tea preparation [1].

    Essentially the hot water need to be boiling hot (100 degree celcius) and leave it brewing for a minimum 4 minutes after pouring into a cup of tea.

    From personal experiences, if you want to make good chai masala (or spicy milk tea) you need to keep it in boiling water for considerable amount of time (like cooking on stove), with the ingredient of tea (generous amount), equivalent amount of evaporated and sweetened condensed milk (like half can of milk for medium pot), together with combination of your preferred different spices for examples cinnamon (Sri Lanka cinnamon not the fake ones), jeera, clove, star anise, etc. Since the condensed milk is already sweetened, no need to put sugar, but you can add pure honey for extra wonderful aftertaste.

    In UAE, karak chai is their national drink that are sold in most of the restaurants and eateries. Fun facts, and heaven knows for whatever reason the default tea brand being used there is always Lipton.

    [1] How you've been making tea WRONG your entire life - BBC:

    https://youtu.be/Fhuc6qOGNPc

    • eru 3 days ago

      Of course, the BBC being British, they only tell you how to brew British style tea.

      For proper tea, you should probably look at Asian sources.

      • gilrain 3 days ago

        To be fair, the British invented and innovated that style of tea. You should only look east if you’re interested in the many other styles.

    • gilrain 3 days ago

      This is like claiming everyone is making coffee wrong and then describing how to make a cappucino with city roast Nigerian dry-process beans.

      Yep, cool. That’s a recipe. For one type of preparation. With one type of bean. And one style of roast.

      The ignorance of global tea culture in the west, including Britain, is very cringe.

      • speedgoose 3 days ago

        It’s funny to witness many British people being so much into tea, while they mostly drink poor quality tea with bad technique.

        A bit like many French people having a shitty failed dark coffee as breakfast every morning.

    • card_zero 3 days ago

      (Jeera == cumin. "Fake cinnamon" I guess comes from species in the genus Cinnamomum other than the Sri Lanka / Ceylon species.)

      • t-3 2 days ago

        Mainly just avoid Chinese cinnamon/cassia, as it has a more complex bitter flavor (good for savory, not so much for sweet).

    • xattt 3 days ago

      Science has shifted, depending on the discipline, from a colonial universalism perspective to one that accepts that “the truth” varies and can be a local phenomenon.

      I have a hard time buying into a prescriptive tea-making procedure. For example, you can heat up your temperature to boiling, but by the time you pour it, it will likely be down to the low to mid 90s.

      There’s other factors such as the material of the mugs (which might be more or less conductive of temperature) and the delta between the water and air temps. The composition of the tea itself will also vary year-to-year and you have no idea of the vintage of the Lipton/Tetley tea bag dust stock you’re buying.

      tl;dr Strict procedure = placebo

      • Enginerrrd a day ago

        One thing I noticed is that the water matters.

        I noted that when visiting my sister down in the Bay Area, I had to steep for quite a bit less time before the bitter tannins would start creeping in. Like 1.5-2 mins tops for cheap PG Tips. But that same tea up north could sit for 3-4 minutes before the bitter tannins would creep in.

        It was a marked difference so there are obviously some confounding factors. I suspect the water chemistry matters a fair amount.

      • card_zero 3 days ago

        One confounding factor is how much you want a cup of tea at that time.

  • n4r9 3 days ago

    I'm not sure there's much real scientific research on preparation (at least when this was published in the 90s), especially as it can be quite subjective. There's a bit about factors affecting caffeine content on p.425:

    > The quantity of caffeine that infuses into a tea brew is determined by infusion time and by leaf style. Longer infusion times lead to greater quantities of caffeine in a tea beverage. Smaller sized tea leaves give a more rapid and stronger infusion, whereas larger leaves and uncut leaves lead to weaker infusions. This results in more or less caffeine extraction, respectively. The caffeine content of a typical tea beverage will range from 20 to 70 mg per 170 ml of infusion, with a typical infusion being prepared from about 2 to 2.5 g of tea leaves. Coffee brews typically contain from 40 to 155 mg caffeine per 170 ml beverage. There has been little research done on the pharmacology of tea-beverage caffeine. One study suggests a dose of caffeine from tea has a different physiological effect than a pure dose of caffeine (Das et al., 1965). This has been attributed to the amino acid theanine, which is unique to tea. However, there are no well-designed clinical studies to support this position. The consensus among scientists today is that caffeine from all beverage sources has a similar physiological effect. The actual content of caffeine depends on many factors, particularly the method of brewing. A brew prepared by the Chinese "gong-fu" style is likely to have a different caffeine impact compared with the Western style of loose tea or to that from a tea bag (Hicks et al., 1996). Some reports have suggested that green tea contains significantly less caffeine than black tea. This may be influenced by the clone of leaf used to produce the tea or by the impact of different brewing techniques. No significant differences have been found when brewing green and black teas under similar conditions (Hicks et al., 1996), discrediting the theory that withering and fermentation have a significant impact on caffeine content (Sanderson, 1972).

  • tmtvl 3 days ago

    Well, depending on what you drink there are articles about that: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=35658412

  • gilrain 3 days ago

    It depends on the tea you’re brewing, what you want to make with it, and your personal taste. How could there possibly be an objective answer?

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