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ICE says officers can forcibly enter homes without a judicial warrant

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44 points by Volundr 8 days ago · 20 comments

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ChrisArchitect 8 days ago

Earlier: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=46712279

chiengineer 8 days ago

Total Funding: An additional $75 billion over four years, supplementing ICE's base budget.

Enforcement & Deportation: Around $30 billion for arresting, detaining, and deporting immigrants, allowing for 10,000 new officers.

Detention Facilities: $45 billion allocated for detention

You can comment anything you want , you can say whatever you want, you can attempt to organize, you can hide in the shadows

It wont matter when tanks and 45 brown people with body armor are taking kids and women at gun point claiming everyone is a terrorist

But apparently taking about the truth hurts HN feelings

So this will be flagged

My comment will get downvoted for the hundreth time

And the tanks are still on the way

And theres nothing anyone can do about it mines well hand over the country now it will be a lot less bloody

austin-cheney 8 days ago

Let’s see them try it in Texas where castle doctrine is taken seriously and everyone is armed to the teeth. It won’t take many examples before they rethink their approach.

Edit. Castle doctrine probably won’t apply.

The memo says under general guidelines that officers and agents using a method called Form I-205 must “knock and announce” and that “in announcing, officers and agents must state their identity and purpose.”

  • PokedBear 8 days ago

    The problem with people invoking and using the castle doctrine is that while they might be right to engage in self-defense in that situation, they also would very likely be dead at the end of the encounter.

    • toomuchtodo 8 days ago

      Might be dead either way, you have jury nullification to rely on if self defense works.

      “They didn’t announce and I feared for my life.”

  • burnt-resistor 8 days ago

    I just watched a case of, albeit local cops, shooting and killing someone under the guise of a "welfare check" where they didn't announce themselves and shot without giving the person's house they were invading a chance. They killed somebody in their own house without evidence, exigency (arguably), or reasonable suspicion. They caused someone to defend themselves and murdered them for protecting themselves when they weren't wanted.

  • zelda420 8 days ago

    They are doing that all over San Antonio and Austin.

  • gamblor956 8 days ago

    Castle doctrine would still apply. ICE doesn't have jurisdiction over citizens.

    • burnt-resistor 7 days ago

      > Castle doctrine would still apply.

      > ICE doesn't have jurisdiction over citizens.

      None of this matters because of their lawless, masked, paramilitary gestapo tactics where they get away with using chemical weapons, murdering people in the street, and breaking & entering without judicial warrants. They are masked criminals acting extrajudicially including kidnapping and disappearances of US citizens and non-citizens, retaliatory arrests of people exercising Constitutionally-protected free speech, and conducting summary executions. Equal protection under the law is a distant, idealistic fantasy that has evaporated except to be used as justification for punitive punishment against anyone not a celebrity, rich, or law enforcement.

    • tim-tday 7 days ago

      Good luck with that. I encourage you to try. 1) they’ll kill you 2) they’ll get on tv and call you a domestic terrorist 3) the people who kill you will never see an investigation let alone a conviction or punishment.

      Perhaps after the first dozen or so the courts will spring into action.

      • etyhhgfff 7 days ago

        Wait until they mess with a veteran. 1) they dont care and actually have a decent chance to win a shoot out 2) they dont care 3) they dont care

  • metalcrow 8 days ago

    Why would castle doctrine not apply?

rpiguy 8 days ago

This also will end up in the courts and the Supreme Court has long taken the 4th amendment seriously. Conservatives included.

I expect this to be struck down.

  • fzeroracer 8 days ago

    I've stopped expecting anything from this Supreme Court, since it's clear they've also decided to cede power to the executive. The tariff decision is an easy slam dunk that they keep punting and it's clear that they don't want to involve themselves in anything that might have actual blow-back.

  • ceejayoz 8 days ago

    Like they did with asset forefeiture, right? Right?

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