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60 points by rendaw 5 days ago · 59 comments

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ndegruchy 5 days ago

An interesting take. There is also brass and coppers that self-sanitize, albeit more slowly: https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC11279221/

  • fainpul a day ago

    And for metal surfaces which are not self-sanitizing by nature, like steel, there are coatings which can be applied to achieve the same effect. This is often used in public transport.

    • indolering 17 hours ago

      Citation? Microban et al are marketing bunk.

      • NetMageSCW 13 hours ago

        Microban is a company, not a product, and they make a wide range of products, some of which are zinc or silver based coatings and effective in slowing the growth of bacteria and fungus.

cainxinth 21 hours ago

Cool idea and cool looking, but just want to point out that surface transmission of infections is several orders of magnitude less common than airborne transmission.

  • yoshuaw 8 hours ago

    If we're talking sanitation tech: I'm personally really excited by the further miniaturization of (far)-UVC light sources [1]. Far-UVC lamps deactivate airborne pathogens, but cannot penetrate the human eyes or skin making them generally safe to use.

    Right now they do require rather bulky lamps (Krypton Chloride), but last I checked there had been promising advancements in producing far-UVC LEDs [2]. Which should make installation and deployment of far-UVC both more practical and economical in the future.

    [1]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Far-UVC

    [2]: https://ece.engin.umich.edu/stories/ece-spinout-company-ns-n...

  • mhb 20 hours ago

    And easily thwarted by washing your hands.

    • rendawOP 20 hours ago

      And then grabbing the bathroom door handle.

      • ssl-3 17 hours ago

        With my sleeve.

        (Although I did see a lot of foot-operated door handles emerge on public restroom doors during the covid years. They're mounted down low, near the floor, and you can just put your shoe on them and drag the door open without using hands. They make sense to me for what I think are a lot of good reasons.)

        • vee-kay 13 hours ago

          The Metro (trains) stations in my city have foot-operated levers (pedals) to control the elevators/lifts, doors, toilet taps/faucets (though the urinal themselves have sensors to auto-flush), etc.

          Although, as a precaution, I carry a hand-sanitizer and fresh mask in my bag whenever I commute on such public transportation.

          I guess the pandemic (and the eerie realisation that it can repeat anytime, since it was decidedly an artificial one) has attuned me to be more vigilant on my safety and health, so I try to be cautious and safe in public where crowds can gather.

      • mandeepj 17 hours ago

        Grab bathroom door handle with a napkin then or use a pocket hand sanitizer

hombre_fatal 5 hours ago

Aside, it’s obnoxious how many bathroom doors in public places like restaurants require you to pull the door handle to leave.

It should be pull to enter, push to leave so that you aren’t fouling your washed hands on the poopy door handle.

Even dumber is when they have those foot operated handles to exit. Why is it push to enter, pull to exit at all?

  • chedabob 2 hours ago

    > Why is it push to enter, pull to exit at all?

    So that in an emergency your escape route can't be blocked. Also having doors swing out into corridors is bad practice as you're more likely to open it into someone walking past.

kaffekaka a day ago

I thought it would be about that red hot door handle from Home Alone.

rendawOP 20 hours ago

One thing that I wondered after reading this, it mentions SARS but then it mentions killing bacteria, but SARS is a virus. Does this have any affects on viruses?

mahrain a day ago

The TiO2 will likely rub off and need regular replenishment. Also, the alternative here, sensor-operated or button-operated automatic doors are already widely used. I wonder who this is meant for?

  • vimda a day ago

    This is probably easier to install or retrofit than an automatic door, seeing as it self powers

  • interludead a day ago

    Motion sensors and push plates aren't perfect, but they remove the contact vector entirely instead of trying to mitigate it after the fact

RamblingCTO a day ago

Sounds like a problem not worth solving? In my wework the handles get wiped down as per the cleanign protocol. Takes what, a second? The costs are marginal.

  • ungreased0675 20 hours ago

    How often do they get wiped, and how dirty do they get in between? The idea here seems to be keeping them sanitary continuously.

  • swah a day ago

    On every usage??

  • colordrops a day ago

    What about bathroom doors that are touched constantly?

    • theandrewbailey a day ago

      Wash your hands after touching the bathroom door, then lean on the door with your shoulder. If you have to use a door handle to exit the bathroom (the door swings into the bathroom), it means the bathroom is poorly designed, so use the paper towel that you dried your hands off with.

      • billynomates 21 hours ago

        I rarely see paper towels in bathrooms these days. 99% of the time it's an electric hand dryer.

    • rcMgD2BwE72F a day ago
      • ptsneves a day ago

        I use my elbow. It is the same recommendation as to cough to your elbow. You do not touch with your elbow on yourself or others so it is generally safe.

        • Throwthrowbob 17 hours ago

          Alternatively, the back of your knee:

          https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VkLfAG0AAzQ

          Though this is more for the coughing/sneezing rather than the door opening.

        • globular-toast a day ago

          Unfortunately not always practical due to poorly designed handles and lock mechanisms. I usually "sacrifice" my little finger for this when I have to use my hands, with the theory that I'm much less likely to put that finger in my mouth or eye etc.

          • bell-cot a day ago

            My "Plan B" is the paper towel I dried my hands with. Though bathroom layout, missing trash cans, and lack of paper towels occasionally foil that.

            • metalman a day ago

              in iffy situations I use my fathers method, which is the systematic prevention of transfer, even if you must touch things or people (doctor,pathologist,forensics) in less than ideal circumstances, hard to describe, easy to demonstrate.

  • interludead a day ago

    Where I think this kind of idea tries to make its case is in places where cleaning is infrequent, inconsistent, or happens long after peak use

  • vimda a day ago

    I suppose a second every few hours over dozens of doors adds up. And this has the benefit of being continual, so you don't get build up between cleans.

    I'm sceptical myself that the tiny generator they have could produce enough energy, and that the coating they have won't be more of a hassle, but the idea is reasonable

ChoGGi 21 hours ago

Why not a door you can push open both ways?

  • simojo 17 hours ago

    You have to let the engineers over-engineer. It's a healthy release.

thenthenthen 9 hours ago

Many public buildings and elevators in Hong Kong installed wireless controls, simply wave your hand in front of a little hole (ultrasonic sensor?) next to the floor button you want to go to. Curious to find out in which mall they installed this in!

billynomates 21 hours ago

How quickly would this kill bacteria? If 3 people used it in quick succession, it would still transfer bacteria, I imagine?

InexSquirrel 11 hours ago

I was expecting it to just dispense hand sanitiser gel straight onto the handle.

I suppose this is a more practical take.

h1fra a day ago

Or use copper

madmaniak a day ago

Hundreds year old technology used in houses, hospitals and public places - handles made of bronze.

nickdothutton 15 hours ago

I have copper light switches and other fittings and was interested to learn they have the same useful property.

GrowingSideways a day ago

Why not just use brass? Seems like a solution in search of a problem.

4gotunameagain a day ago

Or, you know, just use brass:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antimicrobial_copper-alloy_tou...

  • 3D30497420 a day ago

    Not sure how quickly the one from the post takes, but according to the Wikipedia article, brass disinfects "within two hours or less". I could see plenty of transmission within one to two hours. Perhaps it is a difference of speed?

    • actionfromafar 21 hours ago

      Still, all regular handles, at least in hospitals, should be uncoated brass. Whenever I see chromed plated handles, slightly worn, exposing the brass below, I think "such a missed opportunity". It shouldn't have been plated to begin with.

  • EdNutting a day ago

    Came here to find/post this comment :D

interludead a day ago

This feels like a thoughtful engineering project and a strong competition entry yet without a clear niche

immibis a day ago

Clicked away after 3 popups

  • nilslindemann a day ago

    I guess my "I still don't care about cookies" add-on prevents the pop-ups, but one of the other add-ons prevents the video from playing. Or the site is just broken.

flobosg a day ago

(2019)

  • logicallee a day ago

    What makes you think so? One of the section titles says "Your inspiration" (rather than "Our inspiration"), which sounds like ChatGPT was writing to them. That wasn't around in 2019.

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