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Minor says ICE took his iPhone, later found in used-electronics vending machine

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179 points by spenvo 21 days ago · 96 comments

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codebyaditya 21 days ago

The disturbing part isn’t that bad encounters happen — it’s that these techniques are officially banned, yet keep showing up across unrelated cases. When policy and on-the-ground behavior diverge this consistently, it stops looking like individual misconduct and starts looking like a systems problem.

  • duxup 21 days ago

    In Minneapolis there are videos of ICE blocking off residential neighborhoods and going door, demanding ID of residents.

    https://www.reddit.com/r/Minneapolis/comments/1qbawlr/minnea...

    These aren’t bad apples, ICE operates without regard to the law by design.

    • jochem9 21 days ago

      In the Netherlands we call that a razzia. Very popular in the early 40s.

      • UncleMeat 21 days ago

        General warrants (the sort of thing being done here) are explicitly listed as one of the things motivating independence from england in the declaration of independence.

  • dsr_ 21 days ago

    The purpose of a system is what it does. ICE is government-sponsored terrorism.

    Incorrupt governments follow their own laws.

  • stanislavb 21 days ago

    Oh, there's a systems problem for sure. I thought it's obvious to everyone.

  • nextaccountic 21 days ago

    It's not banned if ICE agents aren't prosecuted when they commit crimes

  • anal_reactor 21 days ago

    On one hand I'd say you have a reason to panic but on the other it's no secret that in the US might makes right so it's not like the overall situation has changed dramatically.

  • adrr 21 days ago

    Laws don't matter in the US any more. Epstein files aren't being released even though there is law that requires. TikTok is still operating in the US even though there is law that bans it. Laws are only recommendations now.

    • scarecrowbob 21 days ago

      Oh, there are certainly still laws that "matter".

      I assure you if you treat an ice agent the way that they treat folks, you will see the application of quite a few laws.

      • _DeadFred_ 20 days ago

        "For my friends, everything. For my enemies, the law" is the motto of tyrants and dictators. And now, the USA.

spenvoOP 21 days ago

From the article: "Arnoldo had filmed much of the incident, but agents had taken his phone. He used Find My to locate the phone — at a vending machine for used electronics miles away, close to an ICE detention center. The footage, which ProPublica has reviewed, backed the family’s account of the chase."

Jeremy1026 21 days ago

This article is 95% about chokeholds, and is titled as such, but OP chose to pick out one sentence at the end to editorialize the post title with. None of the content of the article is rosy and it should be shared far and wide, but I was under the impressions post titles should match the headlines or at least the general topic of the linked item?

m4ck_ 21 days ago

It's probably a good thing that gold fillings/caps aren't that common these days.

techbromoment 21 days ago

Curious how long it takes for posts like these to be censored once they hit the front page.

ChrisArchitect 21 days ago

Title is: Immigration Agents Using Banned Chokeholds on U.S. Citizens

OutOfHere 21 days ago

ICE has been acting with a twisted rulebook that doesn't follow the law. The best thing Americans could do in protest is to collectively stop paying federal tax as this funds much evil.

As for anyone going door to door, do not open.

bethekidyouwant 21 days ago

I’m not sure what a used electronics vending machine is, but if find my is enabled on your phone, no one else can ever unlock it

pseudohadamard 20 days ago

Just remember folks, what ICE really stands for is Imperial Command Enforcement, not whatever euphemism the Trump administration claims it is.

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