Whistleblower leaks personal details of thousands of Border Patrol/ICE Agents
rawstory.comOriginal story (linked in TFA), and yes - incorrect use of "whistleblower". This is a data breach or hack.
https://www.thedailybeast.com/personal-details-of-thousands-...
While there's more than enough room to criticize both agencies these days, and if I did work for one of them I'd be retaining personal legal representation, doxxing people is not the answer. Sure, if some bad actors can be sued/prosecuted, that's not a bad thing per se.
But we're already living in a world where US Senators and Supreme Court Justices have had to have security provided because of death threats from both sides of the aisle. We don't need to be encouraging vigilantes. No side is so noble that people can't do evil in its name.
I’m not in favor of doxing.
But let’s be clear, it’s not a few bad apples. ICE by design is operating outside the law.
The videos are endless, people outside their homes on a walk questioned and threatened with arrest if they do not produce ID, face scanned and so on:
https://www.reddit.com/r/Minneapolis/comments/1qbawlr/minnea...
They’ve blocked off whole neighborhoods going door to door questioning people.
Let alone the videos of drive by pepper spray, drawing their weapons on people, shoving people to the ground…
These aren’t one off events. This is everyday in Minneapolis.
two wrongs don't make it right but just to document that ICE has been using their facial scan and plate scan apps meant to determine immigration status on non-violent protestors and then following them home (or even more creepy, leading them to the protestor's home) and calling them out by full name and details
https://www.mprnews.org/story/2026/01/13/ice-using-private-d...
I'd settle for the middle-ground law enforcement can't wear masks and cover their agency/badge number (or use fake plates)
Extreme powers has to come with extreme responsibility, they are heavily armed and also using their cars to ram people on purpose, they don't have to follow rules because they know no-one knows who they are
"Two wrongs don't make it right" is a pleasant aphorism. Sometimes it takes a wrong to correct a wrong.
By analogy: No amount of polite words will make Russia leave Ukraine. Killing every Russian in Ukraine probably won't do it either. And precise targeting of just the drone sources in Russia isn't feasible.
Blowing to smithereens Russian fuel depots inside their cities? That will negatively impact, probably even kill, innocent Russian citizens. So, definitely a kind of "wrong"... that is necessary to end the war.
Doxxing extra-legal operatives is moral.
When the policing and justice system fails the people, mob rule is (sadly, imperfectly, but obviously) the only means of redress.
Successful, prolonged mob rule is called "revolution", and considered completely legitimate, ironically.
"And how we burned in the camps later, thinking: What would things have been like if every Security operative, when he went out at night to make an arrest, had been uncertain whether he would return alive and had to say good-bye to his family? Or if, during periods of mass arrests, as for example in Leningrad, when they arrested a quarter of the entire city, people had not simply sat there in their lairs, paling with terror at every bang of the downstairs door and at every step on the staircase, but had understood they had nothing left to lose and had boldly set up in the downstairs hall an ambush of half a dozen people with axes, hammers, pokers, or whatever else was at hand? The Organs would very quickly have suffered a shortage of officers and transport and, notwithstanding all of Stalin’s thirst, the cursed machine would have ground to a halt! If... if... We didn’t love freedom enough." --Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn, Gulag Archipelago
We learn from history. These people don't get to terrorize our communities without pushback; no amount of finger-wagging will change this. (To be clear, I do not advocate violence, death threats, etc. But their little cosplay masks will not protect their anonymity. Let their friends and neighbors find out who they really are -- maybe they will feel shame for once.)
> Sure, if some bad actors can be sued/prosecuted
And if they can’t be?
I read that during the irish occupation, irish policemen (so, working for the british governement) were rejected and isolated socially, treated as traitors to their people.
Which led them to eventually refuse to continue oppressing their people for money, the revolution, independance, all that.
I kinda see connections, don't you ?
Are you really bothsidings this? Really?
What purpose does this serve other than to incite violence? Is this not a key ingredient of fascism?
No, you need to expose them for many reasons, accountability, make it harder for them to join. You questioning this makes me think you agree with their tacticts, and it has been extremely obvious that organization is a total mess of rule breaking.
I’m not defending ICE. I’m questioning the logic. How does doxxing create “accountability” or deter recruitment unless the implied consequence is that someone might use that information to harass or harm them? If that’s the deterrent, we should be honest about what’s being encouraged.
Fascism, contrary to many people's usage, has an actual meaning that is not "things I don't like".
One definition:
"Fascism is a far-right, authoritarian political ideology centered on a powerful dictator, extreme nationalism, and the nation's interests above the individual, suppressing opposition through force, propaganda, and control over society, business, and labor, often promoting militarism and a strong, unified national identity."
Note that "citizens doxxing government actors" is not in any way an ingredient of fascism.
> What purpose does this serve other than to incite violence?
Does this mean you imagine them beyond the law?
A tolerant society cannot tolerate intolerence, lest it gets destroyed by it.
You cannot give anything to fascists, we know what they do, history is there, they didn't change, they're doing exactly the same thing.
This isn't "whistleblowing" and I hope whomever did this spends a long time in prison.
Regardless of what your feelings on ICE enforcement are...
I kind of agree with you - up until the point that ICE started just shooting people in the face with zero consequences (and please don’t trot out the self-defence BS).
Let’s try your comment in 1938 Germany. Replace the word ICE with Gestapo.
Did you know the early nazis where actually impressed by america's segregation and racism and lamented they couldn't easily do the same? Well, they kinda did in the end.
I hate the Gestapo comparisons because they are disrespectful to the Gestapo. Say what you will about them, at least they showed their faces.
ICE is behaving like slave chasers, which inspired the Gestapo. The state of your country is homegrown yanqui fuckery. Should've finished the job you started in the civil war.
also, what on earth does this DHS slogan mean?
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2026/jan/13/trump-admini...
from a federal government agency heavily armed against unarmed non-violent protestors
absolutely terrifying but that's the point I guess?
On the contrary, this is exactly the sort of thing a prototypical hacker would do: give a massive finger to the authorities through the use of technology.
That's not what a prototypical hacker is at all. I have the benefit of being able to talk to most of the "prototypical hackers", the TMRC crowd, decades ago and being a hacker had nothing to do with sticking it to authorities. It was all about personal ingenuity and generally lacking self-discipline (from an outsider's perspective -- as people didn't refer to themselves as hackers for decades, it started as a derisive term from more "respectable" researchers).
The whole freedom-fighting hacker thing came about later, mostly from the 2600 and BBS crowd as a self-aggrandizement despite all of the laws that they were breaking: mainly related to use of telephone lines, wire & mail fraud, drug use/trafficing and age of consent violations.
You're literally trying to tell me about my own tribe and you don't have the slightest clue.
it seems as though you’re reaching extraordinarily far back in time to apply a definition that simply doesn’t exist anymore. hell, the time period you’re referencing (…80 years ago!) is when “gay” still meant “happy”.
obviously, you’re free to use whatever words you like, but your clinging to outdated terminology and being perpetually misunderstood is not a failure of other people.
It was the parent poster that reached for the idea of "prototypical hacker", but then missed the mark by several decades.
Words have meaning.
Also my usage very much matches early "computer hackers" in a cultural sense. If I was just going off of the word origin itself we'd be talking about horse and carriage drivers...
Words also have multiple meanings, and change over time.
And saying "prototypical" is reaching for a specific point in time.
If I said "prototypical automobile", I can only really be talking about a Ford Model T. I couldn't be talking about a 60s Mustang, no matter their popularity/familiarity.
My friend, no. Again, words can have multiple meanings. Right now, when I highlight and define prototypical, I get the following:
"denoting the first, original, or typical form of something".
An example: "the phone emerged as the prototypical example of point-to-point communication".
The usage of "prototypical hacker" by tastyface above fits neatly in the "typical form", while you're using the "original form".
Dunno about your friends, but I imagine the original, old school MIT hackers -- the ones who lockpicked doors for fun and fought tooth and nail against any restrictions on access to computer systems -- would chuckle at an infodump like this, not clutch their pearls.