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51 points by Theaetetus 4 months ago · 77 comments · 1 min read

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Follow-up: https://www.natemeyvis.com/22-reasons-i-did-301432-flashcard...

yodsanklai 4 months ago

They barely mention why they're even doing this. I see flashcard as a means to something (e.g. learning a language, preparing for a test...). The measured outcome should be the success in task, rather than the number of reviewed cards.

  • viccis 4 months ago

    Reminds me of when I was looking for good workflows for note taking tools like Obsidian that would be relevant to me, but so many of the big articles on how to do various types of note organizations strategies all used theirs to organize notes on videos and conferences they had watched or gone to about note taking.

  • vjerancrnjak 4 months ago

    Reading the article I did not ask at all the question for why they're doing this.

    I see no reason why that is important.

  • yesitcan 4 months ago

    Yeah, can anyone else that does this explain what the point is? Genuinely curious.

    • TheaetetusOP 4 months ago

      1. I have always loved learning things, both big and small. 2. I enjoy trivia competitions. 3. I'm interested in human memory more generally. 4. I think that spaced repetition software could be a lot better, and I'm trying to make such software. So when I study, I'm also getting the value of using and improving my own software.

    • anon7000 4 months ago

      I’ve thought about using spaced repetition myself. I have ADHD and I tend to forget about things I’ve learned. There are certain skills or hobbies I enjoy doing that benefit from knowing things, and i just want to better remember things I already learned.

      For example, maybe I read a book that has a really key insight about how my brain works with ADHD. I’m not going to remember or apply that insight to my life unless I spend some time trying to remember it. By default it’s not going to stick for very long.

  • postsantum 4 months ago

    That's what the business model of Doulingo is based on

satisfice 4 months ago

Does doing this have utility? What problem does it solve?

Years ago, I memorized 1034 digits of pi just to see what it felt like (reciting pi from memory felt like walking through a forest at night without bumping into any trees). So, there was some value in that experience.

I wonder what this guy gets out of it?

  • santoshalper 4 months ago

    I think they just enjoy memorizing things. Roughly the equivalent of meeting someone who runs 10 miles a day. They enjoy it and it has some benefit to their life as well, even though they are probably far past the point of diminishing returns.

    • rjh29 4 months ago

      More precisely, enjoys memorizing things but isn't good at it. Professonal quizzers can absorb huge amounts of information but typically don't use flashcards. OP is grinding thousands of cards a day to get to the same level - worthy of respect!

      • pessimizer 4 months ago

        > Professonal quizzers can absorb huge amounts of information but typically don't use flashcards.

        Professional quizzers almost all use flashcards. Jeopardy! people definitely do. The range of questions that you can ask in a general knowledge quiz are surprisingly limited. You're not going beyond a surface-level overview on anything. Do a ton of general knowledge flashcards for a year and you'll annihilate people at pub quizzes.

        I suppose you could just read encyclopedias over and over again, and books of lists.

        • rjh29 4 months ago

          Ken Jennings doesn't! I am speculating though so I'll defer to your knowledge here. I was trying to say, for some people it comes naturally. I doubt the majority of quizzers are doing 300k reviews a year.

          Reminds me of that guy who "mastered the NYT Crossword" by flashcarding questions/clues. I also learned to do the Saturday consistently - just by doing the crossword every day for a while. You don't always need flashcards.

          • TheaetetusOP 4 months ago

            I'm quite sure you're right and most quizzers are not doing 300k reviews a year. I'm an odd case in a few ways.

      • redfloatplane 4 months ago

        > but typically don't use flashcards

        Can you elaborate on this? I watch an unhealthy amount of University Challenge and I assumed that the vast majority of contestants would use flash cards as a trivia retention tool. Most people I've met who need to rely on large amounts of accurate but relatively dispersed knowledge (law students, say, or specific historical professions) use flash cards in one way or another. It surprises me greatly that 'professional quizzers' wouldn't. Perhaps _some_ of them wouldn't - I'm sure as with anything there are some who are preternaturally excellent.

        • rjh29 4 months ago

          Well, it stands to reason that people who don't need to do flashcards have a competitive advantage and are more likely to become professional quizzers. They might use flashcards in addition, but I get the sense most of them just absorb trivia like a sponge.

        • hn_user82179 4 months ago

          I highly doubt professional or even amateur quizzers wouldn't use flashcards. Especially armed with a SRS algo, it would be the most efficient way to learn to quickly recall the type of info needed for quiz bowls

          • IncreasePosts 4 months ago

            Roger Craig famously used Anki and was one of the top jeopardy players for a while, and I believe he got some push back from the likes of Jennings and others who thought flash cards were cheap and the only right way to do trivia is "naturally", by just reading a bunch of random shit all the time.

          • TheaetetusOP 4 months ago

            Fascinatingly (to me), some top quizzers (e.g., Yogesh Raut) do not use flashcards. Different strokes...

      • TheaetetusOP 4 months ago

        Indeed! Thanks!

  • basscomm 4 months ago

    His homepage says that he likes memorizing things. There is utility in doing something you enjoy for the sake of it.

  • BeetleB 4 months ago

    Random example: In my last job I would point out JS language features that would have made my coworker's code more concise and canonical.

    I hadn't done any JS coding beyond a few examples from a tutorial.

    There's no way I would have retained that knowledge otherwise.

    There are many such examples. In general it's extremely useful for retaining things you are not going to develop muscle memory for.

    "Memorizing by doing" is great if you're doing often. What if you're not?

  • diimdeep 4 months ago

    Very cool, and have you actually used forest as memory palace ? this and chunking + imagery mapped to digits, is what got suggested to me just now by chatbot as technique that memory athletes use; got curious myself but never tried something like this.

    • satisfice 4 months ago

      I didn't want to use any suggested techniques to memorize the digits, because I felt like that was cheating. So I developed my own: I found a sequence of irregular rhythms in the numbers, like a succession of short, distinct cheerleading chants at a football game. I piled them on top of each other until they started collapsing under their own weight, which was right around a thousand digits.

      I found that when I went through the sequence, each chant felt like a little landmark that I could feel but not see. Hence, the sensation of having blindsight (Google it). When I tried to recite the digits as fast as I possibly could, my head started hurting as if I were being struck my tree branches.

  • TheaetetusOP 4 months ago

    1. I enjoy it.

    2. I like trivia competitions.

    3. I like making and using my own software.

    4. Memorizing facts is an underrated way to become a better software engineer. Not the best way or even close to the best way, but an underrated way!

    5. It enriches my experience of the world (I plan to write more about this soon).

scotty79 4 months ago

> The prompt of my most-missed card (39 misses in 2025) is: Merrily We Roll Along (the musical) is based on a 1934 play by what two people

> [...] But, ChatGPT and Gemini both tell me that these effects are not statistically significant, despite having pretty large sample sizes.

Imagine he instead learned how to calculate staristical significance instead so he didn't have to believe AI guesswork.

  • NewsaHackO 4 months ago

    Yes, different strokes I guess but I can't imagine just using flashcards for random information. And you'd think someone who wrote(maybe vibe coded?) a flashcard program would be calculate that by hand.

    • TheaetetusOP 4 months ago

      Yes, I can calculate that! I was a math major and have some basic literacy. I checked the LLMs' work. That said, I only did so with medium rigor, and I wanted to flag that I was speaking as someone who was assisted by AI, not someone who had done the process by hand.

vunderba 4 months ago

From the article:

> For example, I only record the correctness of a response, not its subjective difficulty, and I mix in random cards with my study sessions to make it harder for me to guess the answer on the basis of when I'm seeing the card.

Sounds a bit like the Leitner system [1] with respect to recording only Correct/Incorrect responses. One of the reasons I avoided Anki for a long time was that I wanted to be able to answer cards quickly without actually looking at my phone. I ended up using a combination of automatic TTS, bluetooth headphones, and swipe-up/down gestures to indicate my response.

Made it much easier to go through cards while driving or during daily runs with my husky.

[1] - https://subjectguides.york.ac.uk/study-revision/leitner-syst...

elil17 4 months ago

As someone who did about 51k in 2025, oh my goodness how would you possibly have time for 300k?

  • TheaetetusOP 4 months ago

    1. I have a long commute, and I have about 45 minutes of walking per day, during which I like to do my reviews. 2. I've put serious effort into reducing the friction in my software in order to reduce time per review. 3. You've got to do something when you're on the toilet, right?

    • MattRix 4 months ago

      When you review while walking are you just looking at your phone? I’m wondering if there’s some less obtrusive way it could be done, like via smartwatch or even 100% by audio or something.

      • vunderba 4 months ago

        Not OP but but one of the reasons I avoided Anki for a long time was that I wanted to be able to answer cards quickly without actually looking at my phone. I ended up using a combination of automatic TTS, bluetooth headphones, and swipe-up/down gestures to indicate my response because I wanted to do flashcards while going on runs.

        I currently use a bespoke piece of software for this now but I've had great success in the past with Flashcards Deluxe (by Orange or Apple). It supports automatic TTS, answering by gestures, etc. I used to use it back when I had a long commute.

        https://orangeorapple.com/flashcards

      • TheaetetusOP 4 months ago

        Looking at my phone. I do have exactly the plans you describe!

  • hn_user82179 4 months ago

    I did 10k reviews. Admittedly, very streakily - so spurts intense study for 2-3 months than several months off - I think about 2.5 spurts total. I felt pretty wrung out after. 51k is a ton, congrats!

santoshalper 4 months ago

I read the author's attempt to explain why memorization is important, and found myself unconvinced. Of all the things we consider to be "intelligence", memorization of facts seems like one of the least valuable in the Internet-era. That said, I am open to hear some counter-arguments (pro-memorization).

Of course, if you simply enjoy the process of memorizing facts, then no explanation is needed - it is entertainment for you, and comes with a benefit, like enjoying exercising. Otherwise, it does not seem like a remotely optimally productive way to achieve mastery in any field I am aware of, other than being a student who will be tested on fact memorization.

  • rjh29 4 months ago

    Memorization focuses on the set of things you want to recall, but don't use often enough to naturally remember.

    This is most peritent for language learning because you need to 'bootstrap' a large set of words and grammar, and you can't use all of them often enough to put them in long-term memory (at first).

    Aside from foreign languages, I also use flashcards for English - more difficult words that show up rarely enough that I can't remember their definitions - and country flags.

    For general learning too, if you need to keep looking something up over and over but can't seem to remember it, flashcards will bootstrap that into your brain and make future learning smoother. Obviously Internet/AI can help - but LLMs can't explain 100% of a topic in their reply, they always assume some level of abstraction, and the higher-level it is the faster you can absorb a topic.

    • _JoRo 4 months ago

      I think the key part here is the bootstrapping phase. You may not use a specific English word every week, but maybe you use it every 2-3 months. SRS is great for getting information to these different thresholds!

  • TheaetetusOP 4 months ago

    See my other comments here for some of my motivations, but also:

    Even in the Internet age, getting the latency from "fast" to "effectively zero" has a lot of value for staying in flow, synethesizing information, etc. Your memory is the ultra-low-latency fact retrieval system you always have. No, you definitely don't want to use it for everything, but it definitely does complement modern tools in important ways.

    • anon7000 4 months ago

      Yep. There are plenty of activities, skills, hobbies, whatever, where being able to remember something in the moment is very helpful. Sometimes it’s an edge case, maybe it’s a safety thing. You just want to remember whatever it is.

      Or, hell, just for conversations, I’d love to better remember insightful things I read about and then promptly forgot.

Artgor 4 months ago

I sympathise. I did ~200k reviews in Anki and no idea how many in Renshuu in 2025 for language learning: German, Spanish and Japanese... and I think I got into Anki hell. For a long time, Anki was really useful for me, it pushed my Spanish and German forward, but now I plan to decrease the number of reviews significantly. I hope to spend no more than 30 minutes per day of flashcards, and the rest of time on immersion.

  • aaronrobinson 4 months ago

    How do you decide what to immerse yourself in? Do you just search for things independently or do you have a way of selecting content based on your level?

    • Artgor 4 months ago

      I prefer to start immersion at ~B1 level. I know some people want to do comprehensive input right from the start, but I prefer to build foundations. I start with popular books that I have already read before - The Little Prince, Harry Potter, etc. Then I take books that are interesting for me and work through them. There are graded readers, but the stories are usually very boring. I prefer to read what I like.

rahimnathwani 4 months ago

If you use Anki and want to analyze your review history, you can export the review history into a CSV, and then use pandas to analyze it.

https://www.encona.com/posts/custom-statistics-for-anki-flas...

rsanek 4 months ago

Interesting to see the stats here. My total active library size is about the same as the author's (~50k cards), yet I performed less than 100k reviews this past year. That said, my overall retention is a good bit lower (~83%). Wouldn't have expected a 6% difference to make for a 3x higher review load!

  • koakuma-chan 4 months ago

    What are your cards about? The author seems to be learning for the sake of learning.

  • TheaetetusOP 4 months ago

    1. My algorithm is probably inefficient, and a big Q1 2026 goal is to figure out where the inefficiencies are and (better) to get a better system for addressing and remediating them in an automated way.

    2. A lot of my cards were also made in 2025 (and 2024), so I'm probably much farther to the left of you on the learning curve, on average.

simedw 4 months ago

First of all, big kudos for not missing a single day. When I used flashcards in the past, missing even a couple of days led to an avalanche of cards to review.

Since you’ve been so consistent and are using your own software, have you experimented with different resurfacing rates? Did you notice a material difference in recall?

  • TheaetetusOP 4 months ago

    I have done a lot of algorithmic experiments. I wouldn't say I noticed a big difference in recall, but my graphs say that there definitely is one!

    • Nerada 4 months ago

      Is there a reason you chose to roll your own software instead of just using Anki? Custom algorithm you think is better than FSRS? UI preferences?

      • TheaetetusOP 4 months ago

        I don't exactly think I have an algorithm better than FSRS yet, but I have an algorithm I like better. Hopefully I'll have more to say about this soon.

TheaetetusOP 4 months ago

Thanks to everyone for all the useful notes and questions here. I've compiled a follow-up post here:

https://www.natemeyvis.com/22-reasons-i-did-301432-flashcard...

williamsss 4 months ago

I would have liked to see statistics on study session length eg. average duration. Also how long you typically spend creating per card and how many you created this year.

That information would help us all better assess whether the time spent on a spaced repetition flashcard system is justified

jjice 4 months ago

How do you decide what gets a card? I see you like trivia and such, but what triggers you to turn a trivia sounding fact into a flash card?

  • TheaetetusOP 4 months ago

    At this point there's just a reflex I have that says "ah, I'd like to remember that." It's the same feeling whether I'm learning something for trivia, for work, or for personal reasons.

kayo_20211030 4 months ago

There are some days when I feel I don't know this community at all. :-)

Do this many people use flashcards? Maybe I'm way too old. Probably.

scotty79 4 months ago

> My correct-answer rate is approximately 89%

That sounds like incredibly boring way to spend time. I'd aim for something like 20% at most. What's the fun in being asked things you already know?

  • BeetleB 4 months ago

    The point of spaced repetition is to have you recall something right when you're just about to forget it. If you recall after it's been forgotten, that means you're forgetting a lot more, which means the system isn't working.

    • scotty79 4 months ago

      Then the point is boring and tedious.

      You should be forgetting a lot in your life and learn a lot. Remembering is overrated. Learning the same thing second or third time gives you better understanding.

  • TheaetetusOP 4 months ago

    This is a really good question!

    1. As others have said, the idea is to study something before you forget.

    2. It's hard to predict when you're going to forget something, so you do wind up studying a bunch of stuff before you really have to. It's a limitation of prediction (and also of the technology as developed so far).

    3. It really is pleasant to work to recall things even when you succeed at it. It does "freshen them up" in your memory. And sometimes just the experience of seeing a fact can be pleasant. (A lot of us review familiar things for the joy of it in other domains--movies, etc.)

    • scotty79 4 months ago

      I guess I can see how someone might be enjoying this. Especially folks who are into excercise of any kind. But it's not for me. I think there's value in forgetting and re-learning as needed.

      I learned A* at least 5 times already. And each time I learn it, I feel like I'm having better appreciation and understanding of how it works. Each time I'm falling in different traps, make different mistakes, that teach me more. I wouldn't have that insight if I just memorized how to correctly implement it the first time and recalled it whenever I needed a new implementation. Also I'm perfectly happy not knowing how to implement A* in between times that I need it.

      I would like to be reminded that things exist, after I forgot them, so 20% sounds way more fun for me.

      Anyways, thanks for sharing your fun. Don't let me be a buzzkill. ;-)

  • reedlaw 4 months ago

    That sounds nearly perfect for FSRS [1], the default spaced repetition algorithm used by Anki, which aims at estimating the time it takes for memory stability to decline from 100% to 90%. At the estimated 90% stability point, FSRS would require a review, so naturally a mature deck of flashcards would hover between 90-100% stability.

    1. https://expertium.github.io/Algorithm.html

aydin212 4 months ago

301k reviews/year is serious commitment. Curious — do you ever prune low-value cards, or is the goal to never delete anything?

  • TheaetetusOP 4 months ago

    I prune some, but less than I probably should, and less than most other serious SR people do. I'm more interested in techniques for (i) raising the quality of even my lower-value cards and (ii) figuring out how to actually learn the stuff that people think of as "leeches."

webdevver 4 months ago

would be really funny if this was actually someone preparing for who wants to be a millionaire

  • davio 4 months ago

    That was my first thought - "Is this guy training for Jeopardy?"

    • elil17 4 months ago

      He does link to someone who does 3k flashcards per day to prep for Jeopardy.

NoSalt 4 months ago

Are these physical flashcards or virtual, some sort of flashcard software? Definitely writing out 301,432 physical flashcards would be a lot of work, not to mention [kinda] a waste of paper, however many people still like the physical over the virtual; this is me when it comes to reading books.

  • namrog84 4 months ago

    Bullets 2,3, and 4

    * I'm using my own software

    * I did 301,432 flashcard reviews in 2025.

    * Those reviews covered 52,764 distinct cards.

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