Why people are mad at Framework
sgued.frThey're overpriced, gimmicky laptops anyway. Thought about getting one last month, really glad I noped out now. The only discrete GPU they sell with is woefully underpowered for gfx-intensive operations. You can get a 5090 laptop for less money.. or two functionally identical laptops for about the same price. Lots of people complaining about various issues with them like build quality also. The repairability selling point depends on them staying in business to sell replacement parts. I might consider paying extra if they seemed cool and dependable. But if they're throwing money at unprofessional, bigoted a-holes, forget it.
Wasn't this something that happened in October?
Rather than "people", it would be more correct to say "some people" are mad at FW.
I'm pro-LGBT+ ("ally"), pro-DEI, ecologist, anything left you name it I'd say, and I'm not mad at FW.
I did not know about this story, neither about Omarchy or DHH, neither even about Hyprland (I don't use Wayland).
And I think that none of those stuff really matter a lot...
Huge yikes from Framework.
It is OK to separate yourself from a group when you deeply disagree with their actions, no matter how insignificant it might seem to a different group of people. However, I am glad this happened. New Linux Ambassadors will step up and this issue will be buried into the alternative social media communities such as Mastodon, never to be heard of again. I disagree that Framework will lose a meaningful amount of business over this.
Huge cringe from leftists.
People are extremist on both sides and I'd argue people being upset over this are being more extreme than that.
Never force your opinion upon someone else and nobody will ever dislike you, they might not want to be around you - but they will never dislike you.
Sounds to me like you're trying to force your opinion on us right now... I disagree and have noticed that people will still dislike you for any random reason or no reason at all.
> Sounds to me like you're trying to force your opinion on us right now...
So sharing one's opinion is forcing it on others? That's silly.
> I disagree and have noticed that people will still dislike you for any random reason or no reason at all.
I agree. But why is that a problem? Why are we so culturally obsessed about being liked? This seems like a real-world manifestation of virtual "likes" we're used to from social media.
Nothing happens if someone doesn't like you, or even explicitly says so. Let alone if they're a stranger with zero influence on your reality. Nothing happens if you're offended.[1]
The fact there are generations of people who equate the feeling of being offended with physical harm is one of the great delusions of modern society.
If you share it in such a matter-of-fact, black-and-white manner, I do think it's an attempt to force it as the only way to see a particular issue, which is what I take issue with. There are so many confidently-wrong people in the world, I don't know why people got so used to acting like there can never be any other valid perspectives.
> Nothing happens if someone doesn't like you
Hard disagree, people have been killed just because they were disliked or offended, even if they appear to be a "stranger with zero influence on your reality."
> The fact there are generations of people who equate the feeling of being offended with physical harm is one of the great delusions of modern society.
I think it's because it does actually happen. I was almost punched yesterday just because I parked next to a guy. He was upset I didn't park "literally anywhere else" and was clearly embarrassing his wife and kids by hurling slurs at someone for absolutely no good reason at all.
well there's tons of psychopaths in the world, it is a real mental disorder - considering he has a wife and kids it's probably manifesting as an outlet for fustration with his current life so yah I guess you're right that people can hate you for no reason, but it would be more correct to say that people will let out their fustration on random bystanders.
as for people causing others to kill themselves, well same could be applied with the slight difference of them turning that into a weapon to use against others as a coping mechanism.
this is really a topic that deserves very long and thoughtful discussion that you cannot achieve in hackernews comments.
I don't think it's just a matter of liking or disliking people. Rather, there's a cultural trend in certain demographics of being highly sensitive and politically correct. Some opinions are "forbidden" if there is a slightest hint that they might be offensive to a proverbial someone, whether real or imaginary.
Then there is the performative aspect of this. One of the unfortunate side effects of our social media virtually hyper "connected" and engagement-driven society are performative thoughts and actions. People will do anything for views and likes, including behaving in ways that mimic certain trends. There are examples of people faking diseases and doing insane stunts all for engagement and a chance at their 15 minutes of fame. This has transformed how our culture operates both online and offline, turning into this weird feedback loop.
To be clear: I'm not downplaying real societal problems like racism, discrimination, and abusive behaviour. But we're too quick to incriminate people for thoughtcrimes. It's truly dystopian if you think about it.
I actually agree with this, a lot of it is just projecting influence for gain. It's one of the primary reasons why I never judge people for laching out, instead I question: are they truly just a bad person of has something in their life caused them to arrive at this opinion? Is it a failure somewhere upstream that we ended up at this situation?
It's really hard to not become hateful towards a group of people when you are shoved information about how x group is doing x which is doing x and causing x (x100 a day), at some point it becomes reality that you believe in.
However, I also started to believe that there is always a natural balancing effect - the more you start to enforce your personal beliefs and ideals the bigger the shadow you cast which manifests in it swinging back and creating groups of people who fundementally dislike the idea, ideology or activity from the way they were brought up, historical experience and even religious beliefs and when there is a group of people that have experienced similar issues end up becoming extremely toxic feeding eachother and reinforcing the false reality.
> It's really hard to not become hateful towards a group of people when you are shoved information
Yeah, psychological manipulation is a large problem that's mostly unacknowledged. Entire industries rely on it (e.g. advertising), and the platforms we've built can be used by anyone to push their agenda.
> However, I also started to believe that there is always a natural balancing effect
That's true, but the thing is that there's so much noise, with everyone pulling in their own direction, and most of it being machine curated and generated, that there's no chance for civil discourse and common understanding to happen. We have no way of discerning fact from fiction anymore, and whether someone is actually being honest, or if we're talking to a real person at all. All of this produces a cacophony of viewpoints where the loudest party "wins". To be honest, I don't think we can get out of this situation, save for backtracking on and strictly regulating many of the systems we have in place today, which has no chance of happening, and could have its own problems. So things can only get much worse, before they get any better, if at all.
I'm a lot more upset that so many people let Linus Torvalds continue to get away with his abusive attitude still to this day (who just recently called the SFC "pure trash"), than a right-to-repair company that transparently gives money away.