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Vali, a C library for Varlink

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43 points by GalaxySnail 3 months ago · 15 comments

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sho_hn 3 months ago

Here's a C++/Qt one by KDE hacker David Edmundson: https://blog.davidedmundson.co.uk/blog/introducing-qtvarlink...

ongy 3 months ago

Huh, that way of doing asynchronicity is quite interesting.

Though my Haskell and Rust primed brain really dislikes the way ownership of the memory allocation for the response struct works.

It gets allocated by the caller (library), handed over to the function fully owned, and then gets consumed by the response function?

andrewshadura 3 months ago

I'm wondering why Varlink, while incredibly similar to JSON-RPC, is designed to be incompatible with it?

  • NewJazz 3 months ago

    Linux people don't want web folks messing with their plumbing is my take lol.

    More realistically, adding HTTP where it is not needed adds unnecessary complexity.

blixtra 3 months ago

If you want to know more about Varlink, Lennart Poettering gave a talk about it at All Systems Go! last year. https://media.ccc.de/v/all-systems-go-2024-276-varlink-now-/...

NewJazz 3 months ago

What does varlink do that grpc or capnproto don't offer? Hell, it doesn't even seem much batter than openapi...

  • emersion 3 months ago

    The main use-case is different: gRPC and Cap'n'Proto are designed for networked servers, while D-Bus and Varlink are designed for local IPC. Varlink is a lot simpler than other alternatives.

    • sam_bristow 3 months ago

      I've only had a cursory look at Varlink, but it almost felt too simple. In particular the lack of unsigned or sized integers.

      This might enf up being be fine, but it gave me pause when I looked at it previously.

      • jauntywundrkind 3 months ago

        Varlink exists only to be extremely simple.

        The Linux ecosystem was using D-Bus for basically everything. But there was some need for IPC in early boot, before any D-Bus brokers were started.

        Varlink was the answer, as a simple direct (vs DBus's broker mediated) IPC.

      • wolletd 3 months ago

        It's JSON with some simple idea of RPC added to it. With the main idea apparently being that it is human-readable.

        We've been using Varlink for one project, but I've never found myself in a situation where I had any benefit from the data being JSON. You rarely read the raw data. But compared to gRPC or CapnProto, you lost compile-time type checking and now you need 10mins of testing a vending machine before you get a "key not found"-error because you missed one spot on renaming.

        Also, I've written varlink-cpp building on asio and nl-json at some point: https://github.com/wolletd/varlink-cpp. But as our varlink usage declined, it never found much usage and isn't maintained.

        • emersion 3 months ago

          "you lost compile-time type checking" makes it sound like you haven't been using code generation? Varlink has an interface definition language which makes everything type-safe.

    • NewJazz 3 months ago

      Simpler is pretty subjective. A lot of people have already ingrained the complexity of grpc and/or capnproto. And more importantly, there are a lot of well maintained libraries for those protocols.

      At the end of the day, local or remote, it is all just pushing data over sockets, no?

burstmode 3 months ago

So, there's another copy of CORBA. :-)

  • guerrilla 3 months ago

    That's intentional. That's where this began. GNOME started out by implementing CORBA in a library called ORBit. It was eventually replaced by D-Bus which got more widespread usage across desktop environments and components. Eventually that was adopted at the OS level because of systemd and now they're replacing that with this. So, literally yes.

malkia 3 months ago

json, rpc, and that uint64_t bit integer

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