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Walmart U.S. moves to eliminate synthetic dyes across all private brand foods

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113 points by prossercj 3 months ago · 152 comments

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fabian2k 3 months ago

My understanding is that there are somewhat more restrictive regulations on food dyes in the EU compared to the US. But that overall there isn't a big concern about the majority of these dyes.

There also isn't a fundamental difference between a synthetic and a natural dye. Okay, humans are more likely to have encountered a natural dye during their evolution and adapted to ingesting them. But that is unlikely to matter to all kinds of dyes, and also wouldn't filter out any health effects that don't affect reproductive fitness.

Treating a whole category of molecules this way does not make sense. It makes sense to evaluate the health effects of individual dyes. But that is not unique to synthetic dyes.

  • Retric 3 months ago

    The sheer percentage of artificial food dyes that have been banned suggests otherwise. There’s a long pattern of banning something once enough evidence builds up only to be replaced by something that’s then eventually banded.

    If there where significant value that might be different, but there isn’t a great argument for experimenting on millions of people here.

    • fabian2k 3 months ago

      How many artificial food dyes have been actually banned? I mean in the time where we actually had some regulations, the old days were quite wild in terms of safety in all areas, so I don't think that would be a useful comparison.

      • Retric 3 months ago

        I don’t recall the exact number, but well over half that have been in common use were eventually banned.

        Edit Prior to this administration: Butter yellow, Green 1, Green 2, Orange 1, Orange 2, Orange B, Red 1, Red 2, Red 4, Red 32, Sudan 1, Violet 1, Yellow 1, Yellow 2, Yellow 3, Yellow 4 + some more in the really early days.

        EU had a longer list including Titanium dioxide.

        • greygoo222 3 months ago

          Titanium dioxide is naturally occurring.

          • Retric 3 months ago

            The poster was using the phrase natural dye.

            It’s a naturally occurring non organic molecule, but it’s not naturally a white pigment. It takes a lot of processing to get that brilliant white powder and as such it’s not something our ancestors dealt with.

          • hollerith 3 months ago

            It is not naturally occurring in the human diet.

            • halJordan 3 months ago

              This is the same argument people use against bread, and against meat.

              • hollerith 3 months ago

                Huh? Our ancestors have been eating meat for 2 million years. We know because bones do not biodegrade so we've found many prehistoric bones with tool marks left when prehistoric people cut the meat off the bone.

          • Incipient 3 months ago

            So is arsenic.

          • dlivingston 3 months ago

            Totally off-topic, but your comment reminded me of some lyrics to a song by one of my favorite folk singers [0]:

              [Weed is] jus' a plant
              Like poppies and sugar cane
              Coca and some science make some good cocaine
            
            
            [0]: https://youtu.be/ixE73z_a37U
      • pfexec 3 months ago

        I'm in awe at the number of people that will go to bat for things like artificial dyes in food, only because the policy is coming from the present administration. It's just common sense. We don't need to be ingesting this shit. It's cosmetic and not needed for nutrition. Why are you feeding your child Fruit Loops and not Cheerios?

        I personally have known people who develop migraines after eating food with artificial dyes. We can sit here and snipe and play semantics and argue over pointless details but why bother? Just get rid of them all.

        • fabian2k 3 months ago

          I want these decisions to be bases on scientific and medical data, not on gut feeling or unfounded personal belief. I have no issue with regulating specific dyes or additives in food, or groups of related chemicals.

          And your anecdote is not scientific data. You cannot draw any conclusions from that.

          • tengbretson 3 months ago

            There is no scientific framework that can tell you the correct amount of non-food material to intentionally add to your otherwise fine food.

          • pfexec 3 months ago

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            • ethersteeds 3 months ago

              I know this feels cut and dry to you, but what you're kicking is a fundamental pillar of the industrial food system. Many food products emerge from processing a dull or unappetizing color. Food needs to last as long as possible and still look like food. It's tempting to say that food should all be made with love in home kitchens, but that's untenable for feeding 8 billion people.

              My favorite example of this is orange juice. OJ is kept in long term storage to stretch a seasonal crop into year-round availability. What comes out is brown and flavorless! This brown mush is restored to something a person would drink with the addition of "flavor packs" made by the perfume industry. This has the added benefit of giving brands a consistent and repeatable flavor. Regulatory bodies in their wisdom allow this product to be called "100% juice".

              You might say well get rid of that too. I'm not arguing this is the ideal food system. But it has to be said, this goes a lot deeper than the easy ones like frosting and fruit loops.

              • Clamchop 3 months ago

                Calling it "the perfume industry" is a half truth. It's the flavoring industry, but it so happens that there's a lot of overlap between perfume and flavoring in terms of raw materials.

                However, flavoring is a distinct profession. Besides that, very few novel compounds are allowed in food compared to fragrance. If any flavoring is synthetic in origin (which is not the same thing as novel, to be clear) then the product must be labeled as artificially flavored. If they call the product 100% juice and added flavoring is used, then that flavoring in turn has to have been sourced from the fruit.

                In other words, they're using extracts from real oranges to reconstitute the flavor lost during pasteurization. They can further adjust which parts of the extract they use (called fractions and isolates) to dial in a particular flavor.

                • ethersteeds 3 months ago

                  I appreciate the nuance! My intention was to show that there's a surprising amount of correction for flavor and taste necessary even for one-ingredient "natural" foods.

                  • kyleee 3 months ago

                    Primarily in bulk operations, none of that bullshit is needed if you just juice some fresh oranges into a glass and drink it…

                    • valleyer 3 months ago

                      But there is a clear public health trade-off there, because far fewer people will drink O.J. if that work is required (vs. just pouring it out of a carton).

            • speff 3 months ago

              Food presentation has an effect on taste. This is why the dyes are used. Frankly, I wouldn't want to live in a world where the only food we're allowed to eat has to demonstrate that it's only made of ingredients necessary to sustain life and be nutritional.

            • dcrazy 3 months ago

              We don’t make decisions to ban foodstuffs based on whether they are “necessary to sustain life.”

              • kelipso 3 months ago

                Maybe we should. Ideally we should ban ingredients that are not on a whitelist instead of banning ingredients on a blacklist.

                Why are we as a society allowing these paperclip maximizing companies to experiment on hundreds of millions of people for their own profits..

                • kyleee 3 months ago

                  Bingo; should have to prove something is safe rather than the opposite

          • faangguyindia 3 months ago

            > scientific and medical data,

            which has never been been manipulated by funding.

        • rootusrootus 3 months ago

          > I personally have known people who develop migraines after eating food with artificial dyes

          Yeah, my mom was the same way when she had food with MSG in it. But only when she knew there was MSG in it.

          • hollerith 3 months ago

            When your mom eats something that is bad for her and her brain can tell it is bad for her, then if that experience is repeated a lot, then every time it encounters that thing or even thinks about that thing, her brain will tend to cause a defensive reaction, which itself is unpleasant and can affect your mom's behavior. None of this need be conscious or deliberate.

            • gruez 3 months ago

              I don't think gp is trying to imply that she's explicitly making it up, just that the phenomena is in her head. To take an absurd example, it's probably safe to say that electromagentic sensitivity doesn't actually exist (ie. radio waves aren't actually causing people pain/distress), even if sufferers aren't lying to others about their experiences.

        • colpabar 3 months ago

          Not wanting multi-billion dollar conglomerates putting poison in everyone's food is a far-right position now, didn't you get the memo?

          • Belopolye 3 months ago

            It's weird being a 90s/2000s anti-war, anti-globalization, and pro-labor Democrat in a 2025 world.

        • 4d4m 3 months ago

          +1. G.R.A.S. (generally recognized as safe) is long overdue for reform

        • greygoo222 3 months ago

          You can live your life how you want. What the rest of us eat isn't your business.

        • rightbyte 3 months ago

          Fluoride in communal drinking water is another thing I notice strange ingroup outgroup thinking in ...

        • tayo42 3 months ago

          If I want to eat fruit loops, why are you getting involved?

          We have options and can make our own decisions about what to eat.

          • kelipso 3 months ago

            Your unhealthy habits should not be normalized but unfortunately it is via mass advertising.

            • tayo42 3 months ago

              You don't know anything about me what kind of comment is this?

              Assumptions like this is why I don't want other people making decisions for me

              • kelipso 3 months ago

                I don’t need to know anything about you to know that eating fruit loops is an unhealthy habit.

          • pixl97 3 months ago

            1. Because you'll feed them to your kids who do not make their own decisions, other than if they'll pay to remove cancers off their anus or die at home at 25.

            2. Because a massive food industry would gladly lie about how unsafe their product is just like tobacco companies and they have far more money than you to befuddle the research.

            • tayo42 3 months ago

              This is a little dramatic

              Tobacco still isn't illegal. We're all free to smoke.

              Were given information and we're free to do what we want with it.

            • gruez 3 months ago

              >1. Because you'll feed them to your kids who do not make their own decisions, other than if they'll pay to remove cancers off their anus or die at home at 25.

              How about we mandate physical activity for kids as well, given all the known harms of being inactive? Maybe refer kids to CPS if they're too fat too?

  • KolibriFly 3 months ago

    I think Walmart's move probably isn't about toxicology as much as it is about consumer perception

  • wnevets 3 months ago

    > My understanding is that there are somewhat more restrictive regulations on food dyes in the EU compared to the US.

    There isn't. The US's FDA allows fewer of them than the EU's EFSA.

  • colechristensen 3 months ago

    There are people with allergies to some naturally derived dyes. Annatto (from tree seeds) and carmine (from bugs) in particular.

    A small number of people get anaphylaxis from carmine.

  • slowmovintarget 3 months ago

    Yeah, Yellow dye #6 may cause testicular cancer, but I can't stand boring looking pastries. Sure people could use saffron, but that's expensive and we have to have cheap and good looking, right?

    Ban 'em all. If it isn't already in the foods we eat, it doesn't belong.

  • dboreham 3 months ago

    As someone who has an allergic reaction to one of these dyes, I support their banning.

    I'm allergic to Yellow #5 (Tartrazine), but not to Tumeric which seems to do just as good as job of making things yellow/orange.

  • themafia 3 months ago

    > It makes sense to evaluate the health effects of individual dyes

    I wonder if changing the color of food is actually that important.

    • jabroni_salad 3 months ago

      I was looking at this paper which seems to have a bunch of citations. Different colors are associated with different flavors in certain countries.

      https://link.springer.com/article/10.1186/s13411-015-0031-3#...

      But yes I think the food color is ultimately important to succeeding in the marketplace and we aren't going to be getting rid of food dyes in manufactured food anytime soon.

      • hollerith 3 months ago

        >the food color is ultimately important to succeeding in the marketplace

        The decision-makers at Walmart seem to believe artificial colors are no longer important to succeeding with Walmart's customers and prospective customers.

        And clearly they're not important to succeeding at Whole Foods, where all artificial colors have been disallowed for many years.

      • ImHereToVote 3 months ago

        Wait? If artificial dyes become forbidden. Won't it make competiton easier since your competitors can't use dyes either.

    • bagful 3 months ago

      Artificial colorants make it easier to design visually hyperstimulating foods without having to compromise on flavor. What could the upside for the consumer be, to disrupt our evolved associations between appearance and flavor?

      • euroderf 3 months ago

        Inquiring minds want to know: have experiments been done on the perception of (say) totally monochromatic Froot Loops, or monochromatic Lucky Charms ?

        At one point NASA tried out things like blue ham.

    • psunavy03 3 months ago

      Ah, yes. The "I don't think anyone needs to do this, therefore no one needs to do this" argument.

      • themafia 3 months ago

        Hardly. I'm openly wondering. If you _need_ to do this, then please, by all means, share that with us here now.

    • youainti 3 months ago

      It is if you're trying to sell it. Not dyes, but beer bottle color affects purchasing decisions [0-1].

      [0]: https://www.mdpi.com/2306-5710/6/4/64 [1]: https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S266615432...

  • infecto 3 months ago

    I could not find my reference but I thought it was something more along the lines that either they don’t need to be disclosed in the EU or they go under different safer sounding names.

    • watwut 3 months ago

      They are under Exxx codes. Not even safer sounding they are just listed by their technical codes.

      • infecto 3 months ago

        Thank you that’s it. I had remember some folks comparing products debunking those claims “see red #5 is not in the European version”

        • nom 3 months ago

          Red 5 is not allowed in Europe and doesn't have an E number, so in this case they are right.

  • psunavy03 3 months ago

    But this is likely also an attempt to market to people who think things like "but I don't want to be exposed to chemicals" while not realizing water is a chemical.

    • dlivingston 3 months ago

      Very funny, but also flippant and glib.

      When people -- myself included -- say they have a problem with chemicals in food, they of course mean artificial chemicals: that is, compounds, preservatives, dyes, and flavors that are non-naturally present for that particular food item and were added for their shelf life, taste, aesthetic, or addictive properties.

      Next time you visit your grocery store, go read the ingredients list of a few different boxed and frozen items. It's not uncommon to see three- or four- dozen ingredients on items that should have less than 10.

      While all of these compounds may have FDA approval and studies verifying their safety for ingestion, please keep several things in mind:

      1. Studies use large, population-based sample sizes and their effects are based on their statistical significance on these populations. In other words, "side effects" are a population-level phenomenon, not an individual phenomenon. It is plausible that individual side effects are hidden as statistical noise. This is a problem with pharmacological studies as well and there is no easy solution to it AFAIK.

      2. We have a massive obesity crisis in this country (and increasingly globally). Sedentary lifestyles and increased caloric intake is no doubt part of this, but it is blindingly obvious (to me, at least) that the meat of the problem is environmental, primarily diets, and these compounds are wreaking havoc on the endocrine systems of the population causing a massive uptick in obesity and diabetes.

      • gruez 3 months ago

        >1. Studies use large, population-based sample sizes and their effects are based on their statistical significance on these populations. In other words, "side effects" are a population-level phenomenon, not an individual phenomenon. It is plausible that individual side effects are hidden as statistical noise. This is a problem with pharmacological studies as well and there is no easy solution to it AFAIK.

        I don't get it, are you trying to imply there might be 0.0001% of people with negative side effects, they're not getting picked up, and for that reason those substances should have never been approved? If so what does that say about allergens? If the Colombian exchange happened today, should we ban peanuts on the basis that a few percent of people get side effects?

        >but it is blindingly obvious (to me, at least) that the meat of the problem is environmental, primarily diets, and these compounds are wreaking havoc on the endocrine systems of the population causing a massive uptick in obesity and diabetes.

        How is it "blindingly obvious" that it's caused by artificial colors specifically though? Otherwise it's a leap to go from "there must be something in the food" to "we should ban artificial colors".

        • hgomersall 3 months ago

          What level of evidence is acceptable before stopping things entering our food chain? Is it anything that doesn't have positive evidence of harm ok? Presumably a little bit of study is required... So how much? How many interactions should be studied? Is there a benefit trade off (I'm actually struggling here, so if you think so, perhaps you can clarify what benefits would lead to a a higher risk of harm)?

          • gruez 3 months ago

            >What level of evidence is acceptable before stopping things entering our food chain? Is it anything that doesn't have positive evidence of harm ok?

            Peanuts have very clear evidence of harm (at least to those who are allergic), and it's unclear what "benefits" it has besides "it tastes good". Why allow it?

      • hgomersall 3 months ago

        3. Long term effects are very hard to study and tease out.

        4. Interactions are even harder to establish, since the possible different cocktails and biologies combinatorially explode. This is the primary reason for a precautionary principle in introducing new compounds into our diets.

      • user3939382 3 months ago

        The type of people you’re replying to would wait until their experiment was done to agree to ban things that are obviously bad even if by the time they said “ok guys I agree to ban it I have the data now!” all of humanity is next to them in a dead pile. Prior to that they would argue ad infinitum that there’s no proof x y and z are bad. People do that on this very forum with ingestion of microplastics. I don’t have patience for people like this anymore.

    • alrs 3 months ago

      This is the kind of nerd-snark that makes normal people not trust anything from the mouths of "experts."

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ovKw6YjqSfM

      • psunavy03 3 months ago

        The point is it's totally possible for some artificial dyes to potentially be harmful and need to be regulated, but eliminating them all just because they're "artificial" is woo-woo nonsense on the same order as my deliberately parodic example.

        Know what else is artificial? Insulin and penicillin.

        • max51 3 months ago

          >Know what else is artificial? Insulin and penicillin.

          Even if they may have side effects/allergies, we tolerate them because they provide extremely large benefits to the population. You can't compare that to a chemical we use to make the colors of candies pop more.

          No one is dying or getting seriously ill because their Fruit Loops had bland and unsaturated colors.

        • kelipso 3 months ago

          It’s not. The one who controls the null hypothesis rules the world.. Should a new dye be banned until it is proven safe, or should a new dye be banned only when it has been proven unsafe?

          The answer to the above question is not a scientific one. It has to do with how we want to operate as a society, it’s a political or social issue.

      • vel0city 3 months ago

        The thing is, there are many chemicals which are safe to drink in reasonable amounts, and many chemicals that are not safe to drink in any amount. People deciding not to eat something because "it has chemicals in it" is a pretty ignorant take.

        • TheFreim 3 months ago

          > People deciding not to eat something because "it has chemicals in it" is a pretty ignorant take.

          When people say this they are obviously not referring the the definition of "chemical" that a chemist would use. Pretending otherwise is exactly the "nerd-snark" mentioned above which makes people distrust experts because they clearly aren't intending to use the term "chemical" in a sense that would include substances like water.

        • macNchz 3 months ago

          There are too many food (and personal care and clothing etc) chemical additives for the average person to remotely be able to keep up with the details of each, especially given not all products even need to disclose them–the charitable, or simply non snarky, reading of that kind of comment is more like "I don't want to eat food with unnecessary/under-studied additives in it."

    • rovr138 3 months ago

      they might not drink water

      • dmix 3 months ago

        Most likely so if they buy their food at walmart.

        • pfexec 3 months ago

          It's extremely presumptuous of you to assume that everyone who shops at Walmart are uneducated simpletons.

          Maybe they're smarter than you with money. The same box of cereal that costs less than $2 at Walmart is almost $6 at Whole Foods.

          • dmix 3 months ago

            I meant overweight not dumb. Fat people (like my dad) don't drink a lot of water, they drink soda and sugar water. And every time I grocery shop at Walmart is pretty noticeable demographic of people buying crates of coke.

    • slowmovintarget 3 months ago

      That comment is right up there with deliberately misunderstanding "Organic" food labeling for anything carbon-based.

    • kelipso 3 months ago

      Middle school level argument.. Good luck on making better arguments I guess.

brynet 3 months ago

I participated in some consumer testing when Kellogg's Canada was switching their breakfast cereals to natural colours. Beyond some muted colours, the cereal tasted exactly the same. Seemed like a no brainer, really.

syntaxing 3 months ago

Synthetic and “natural” is so hazy. What’s the difference between a dye that’s synthetically made and one where we crush up bugs and extract the same exact chemical (real thing.). Why don’t we just eliminate most dyes overall…

  • colechristensen 3 months ago

    Eh. Being honest with dyes there's a pretty strong distinction between "natural" dyes going through several extraction and purification steps but remaining more or less the same intact molecule found in something alive.

    "Synthetic" dyes being the result of a long chain of steps and intermediate molecules which are usually ultimately sourced from things like air, petroleum, and seawater.

    Science literacy is bad so people have problems articulating the issue of concern which is "it is fair to have concerns about novel chemicals making their way into the food supply which evolution has not had a chance to address", not that something not found in nature is automatically bad but that such things need to be introduced carefully.

    People don't know science though so everything is turning into "if it's not found in nature it is a monster and unclean", which to be honest is fair to a degree for people who don't know being forced to accept things blindly and asked to trust that everything is fine from people who would gladly disregard dangers in exchange for a fraction of a cent in profit margin.

    That doesn't mean they're making good decisions just that their fear is justified.

  • KolibriFly 3 months ago

    Yeah, the line between "natural" and "synthetic" is mostly vibes at this point

    • teruakohatu 3 months ago

      Wikipedia says about carmine …

      > To prepare carmine, the powdered insect bodies are boiled in ammonia or a sodium carbonate solution, the insoluble matter is removed by filtering, and alum is added to the clear salt solution of carminic acid to precipitate the red aluminium salt. Purity of color is ensured by the absence of iron. Stannous chloride, citric acid, borax, or gelatin may be added to regulate the formation of the precipitate. For shades of purple, lime is added to the alum.

      At this point how natural is it?

  • giancarlostoro 3 months ago

    You will eat the bugs...

cadamsdotcom 3 months ago

We are exposed to so much anti-customer behavior thanks to HN. But this move is a shining example of alignment between customers and a commercial entity.

Businesses doing things in line with customer preferences is exciting to see.

_e8at 3 months ago

Can someone please explain to me why people are so hostile to this? Like even if you don't care, why would people be against putting less chemicals in food?

  • aeonik 3 months ago

    Because chemistry is awesome, and chemicals give us amazing modern super powers.

    Also, everything is a chemical.

    A subset of both natural and artificial chemicals cause cancer, we should identify those carcinogens and not eat those. At least not too much.

  • kelipso 3 months ago

    Their brains go to mush from the US left-right politics divide is why.

  • captainzidgel 3 months ago

    Agreed. We must eliminate dangerous chemicals like dihydrogen monoxide from our food!

  • eYrKEC2 3 months ago

    Who, whom?

li2uR3ce 3 months ago

We should use lead pipes because they are made from naturally occurring lead. Synthetic PEX pipes have to go because: synthetic.

  • _e8at 3 months ago

    Truth be told they both probably leech chemicals into the water supply.

    • disattention 3 months ago

      Seems inconsistent to say "truth be told" before "probably". These sorts of vibes based statements cloud conversation and confuse the scientifically illiterate who are quick to attach truth to belief.

hermannj314 3 months ago

If China stops buying our soybeans, we can start planting other things. Aren't natural food dyes just a great way to encourage diversity in domestic agriculture?

I am not an expert in synthetic vs. natural, but I feel like this decision isn't actually about health (I don't see any reason to believe why Wal-Mart cares at all about the health of Americans) but rather some larger macroeconomic reality.

  • porridgeraisin 3 months ago

    Disclaimer: numbers are from memory

    > china

    China imports only 21% of it's soy from america. Down from 40% 5y back.

    America consistently exports only half of its soy output. The other half is all used domestically.

    To be clear, almost all soy in the world is used for animal feed, not for humans to consume. My exact knowledge of poultry is limited, but I believe broiler chickens are made possible (3kg in 50 days) only because of a diet consisting of a certain kind of corn and certain kind of soy.

    > We can start planting other things

    American farms and the entire supply chain is pretty hardwired to corn and soy, for the same reasons punjab/haryana farms are hardwired to rice (even tho it's arid land, rice isn't even native, thus uses up groundwater too fast).

    Government-set/subsidized price floors, insurance, storage programs specifically for 4 program crops, of which one was corn, and to which soy was a later addition. India has the same thing for rice etc.

    Soy/corn rotation also caused extreme lock-in, since soy leaves a lot of nitrogen in the soil after harvest, and corn needs a lot of nitrogen.

    There are many other factors, but essentially, the entire farm supply chain is locked in to corn/soy in most American farmland similar to how most punjab/haryana supply chain is stuck in rice/wheat alternation and resulting farmland/aquifer overuse.

    In america too corn soy are not native. And the excess nitrogen goes down the rivers and causes hypoxia in the gulf of (mexico|america). Very symmetric problem.

    It's extremely expensive to get them to grow anything different. For starters, removing the price floors and such is electoral suicide. Most of the farmers (that remain) depend on these things heavily. You can complete the rest...

    More random stats: 40% of us corn goes to animal feed, 40% goes to ethanol (for blending with petrol among other things), and the rest is other stuff.

    Even more: 70% of soy goes to animal feed, primarily broiler chicken, 15% goes to oil. Margarine, processed crap, lots of fried goods, all use this. I think you can even make plastic with it. I forgot what the other 15% was... And the people actually eating tofu, soy milk, etc are a tiny percentage and don't even register.

    • colechristensen 3 months ago

      >In america too corn soy are not native.

      Corn was domesticated in Mexico like 10,000 years ago. It is indeed native in so far as an extremely human selected crop can be. (selective breeding over thousands of years not genetic engineering)

  • colechristensen 3 months ago

    Ugh.

    THE SAME NUMBER OF SOYBEANS ARE GETTING CONSUMED.

    If China is buying South American soybeans instead of US soybeans than whoever was buying from South America is going to buy from the US because it's not like 8 million tons of soybeans per month are magically getting created in Brazil.

    It's not that there will be no market effect but it's pretty close to a zero sum game because the global production and consumption of soy really isn't changing that much.

hshdhdhj4444 3 months ago

This is good but the effects are also highly marginal. The key change would be if the U.S. moved to the EU system where a new food needs to be proven to be safe before it can be sold as opposed to the current system where a new food is assumed to be safe until proven otherwise.

That is the systemic shift that’s actually important and would have automatically handled the dyes issue as well.

allears 3 months ago

Generally, I tend to eat natural foods. I have for decades. They just taste better. Dyes are mostly used in processed foods, because otherwise they would look unappealing next to fresh natural food. And for a very good reason.

All that is to say, doesn't much matter to me what they regulate, I eat hardly any of that stuff anyway.

4d4m 3 months ago

What a HUGE win for everyone's health. Kudos.

  • oarfish 3 months ago

    Based on what evidence?

    Not against removing unnecessary stuff from food, but lets be real about the effects.

  • rapjr9 3 months ago

    Indeed. So what is missing from the list? Perhaps emulsifiers?

    • 4d4m 3 months ago

      Absolutely. I found out late in life that emulsifiers like soy lethicin are awful for us. Take those out next please

KolibriFly 3 months ago

I'll be curious to see how they define "synthetic" and what ingredients make the cut or get quietly swapped in

ck2 3 months ago

it's already easy to eat and drink things without any dyes or even artificial flavoring

(except OTC medication always has that nonsense, but now my advil is also dye-free)

but Neil deGrasse Tyson explains the life-expectancy of people back when everything was natural and organic

https://www.instagram.com/reel/DMpuL2GMQSd/embed/

j45 3 months ago

Hope this spreads to other countries.

  • timeinput 3 months ago

    Which other countries?

    I'm sure I'm simplifying things, but I think this ban is common practice at this point in most of the EU, Canada.

    Where else is hypercouloring cereal common?

    • j45 3 months ago

      The food additive laws vary a great deal between countries, even US/Canada/UK/EU/Japan. It's pretty eye opening.

      A side effect is these substances may continue to be distributed in other countries.

  • krunck 3 months ago

    If RFK gets his way there will certainly be things spreading to other countries.

kipchak 3 months ago

Aldi US did the same back in 2015.

robotnikman 3 months ago

Good, there is a reason why just about every other country outlaws these.

  • sensen 3 months ago

    Can you clearly state what that reason is? The only reason stated in the article is that this move "is in line with evolving customer preferences and in support of a more transparent food system".

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