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The life-changing Sarah Paine framework

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48 points by ashia 4 months ago · 15 comments

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zenethian 4 months ago

Did anyone else find this article particularly difficult to read? There's so many (breakouts) and things "in quotes" that it was really hard to follow.

  • codeduck 4 months ago

    > This is super unedited! Quantity and speed over quality today, just wanted to serve these pancakes while they’re still hot.

    Says it all, really. I gave up.

  • epolanski 4 months ago

    Yes, I quit it halfway through.

    I feel like some writers don't accept that readers have changed, are more distracted and naturally tend to a more "Economist-ish" style of writing nowadays.

MikeTheRocker 4 months ago

I have also really been enjoying these lectures. Sarah is quick witted and insightful. I recommend the Dwarkesh podcast to anyone interested in AI in general (though Sarah Paine lectures are completely unrelated).

  • apwell23 4 months ago

    dwarakesh seems to be hitting all the topics i am personally intrested in

    1. Ancient Genetics - david reich 2. history - one about stalin, sarah paine 3. AI ofc

thraxil 4 months ago

The description of the "meta framework":

  * Thesis/Starting Argument  
  * Counter-Argument (paper requirement from Naval War College)  
  * Rebuttal (different perspective, not your starting argument)
Sounds like someone discovering a variation on the thesis-antithesis-synthesis dialectical method from philosophy for the first time: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dialectic

Paine is likely well versed in the philosophy and knows exactly what she's doing. Pointing this out in case anyone wants to go deeper on this kind of approach. Much ink has been spilled over the years on different approaches, criticisms, etc.

lepouet 4 months ago

Yes, these lectures and the interviews by Dwarkesh are really interesting, i watched most of them, anyone know another podcast in the same style I can listen to ?

  • steezeburger 4 months ago

    Conversations with Tyler is incredible

    • chis 4 months ago

      “People I mostly admire” also hits a similar spot. Smart host, good questions, interesting and varied guests.

    • lepouet 4 months ago

      Thanks, I will try that

  • KPGv2 4 months ago

    i think he's unique: he reads everything by the interviewee before sitting down with them, and has an uncannily casual familiarity with their arguments and reasoning

  • jdmoreira 4 months ago

    Lex Fridman is in the same vein

    • ngetchell 4 months ago

      I don't feel like Lex does anywhere near the prep that Dwarkesh does for the Sarah Paine interviews.

epolanski 4 months ago

I've always been impressed by professor Paine lucidity when talking about history.

She's the right kind of historian, the bookworm who's gonna read and investigate all of the possible documentation she can find before forming an opinion.

One of the criticism I have towards her, though, is her apparent lack of empathy towards history and its protagonists. She may very well read in history how Mao's genius of involving and empowering women in the communist struggle against the Japanese and Nationalists gave him a crucial advantage. This and other small acts that compound in significant events, that she can find, recognize, trace and expose.

She can clearly recognize how Chinese century of humiliation shapes modern Chinese foreign policy.

Yet, somehow sometimes she cannot see other obvious things.

E.g. Russians and Ukrainians "hate" each other, because they see the other as the bad guy in their biggest trauma. For Ukrainians, whose biggest collective trauma is the Soviet famine of the 20s/30s the Russian is the aggressor. For Russians whose biggest collective trauma is ww2, Ukrainians are those who sided with the Nazi invader.

Both of the previous sentences are equally true and equally...a bit more nuanced and complicated. But they still shape Ukrainians and Russians born 4/5/6 generations after those events.

Yet, professor Paine sometimes cannot see or expose this obviousness.

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