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246 points by z2amiller 14 years ago · 22 comments

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damian2000 14 years ago

According to this link:

http://www.flickr.com/photos/damianward/3300112470/

"The ROM used only 89 KB of the available 256 KB. So to fill the chip, Apple put the photos of the development team into the ROM. To see these photos, press the debug button then type: G 41D89A"

  • mechanical_fish 14 years ago

    Yes, I remember doing this circa 1990, now. There's some neuron in my brain that recognizes that address.

    Thanks for looking that up.

daeken 14 years ago

If you're interested in this sort of digital archaeology, check out The Cutting Room Floor: http://tcrf.net/The_Cutting_Room_Floor It's focused on unearthing this sort of thing in games.

There's also a lot of this sort of thing on http://pagetable.com

  • voltagex_ 14 years ago

    pagetable.net and www.pagetable.net don't seem to resolve.

        <<>> DiG 9.8.1-P1 <<>> pagetable.net
        ;; global options: +cmd
        ;; Got answer:
        ;; ->>HEADER<<- opcode: QUERY, status: NXDOMAIN, id: 32690
        ;; flags: qr rd ra; QUERY: 1, ANSWER: 0, AUTHORITY: 1,     ADDITIONAL: 0
    
        ;; QUESTION SECTION:
        ;pagetable.net.                 IN      A
shashwatak 14 years ago

It blows my mind that those photos was taken over a quarter century ago, hidden by some playful programmers, and are only now unearthed by an entirely different generation of playful programmers. Cool stuff.

DanBC 14 years ago

See also the "stolen from Apple" icon hidden in the rom for the first Mac.

(http://folklore.org/StoryView.py?project=Macintosh&story...)

  • josteink 14 years ago

    Funny how Apple seems to endorse theft when they are doing it, but somehow sees it as wrong if others are taking stuff from them.

    Pot calling kettle evidently goes a long way back as far as Apple is concerned.

    • joezydeco 14 years ago

      Direct copying of a computer's firmware is a way different type of "theft" than what you are alluding to.

      • rprasad 14 years ago

        No, it's really not, unless you are arguing that what was copied from Apple (designs) is not something that should be subject to protection.

    • tedunangst 14 years ago

      Doesn't your conclusion need an example of long way back Apple being a pot?

joezydeco 14 years ago

Back in the heyday of arcade video games, a lot of manufacturers would hide things like this in the code to prevent counterfeiting of the games. PC boards are easy to copy (the schematics were in the service manual), but counterfeiters would just duplicate the ROMs and change a few strings or sprites to give the appearance of a new game. The Easter eggs were triggerable by a certain sequence of moves to show the real authors of the code on-screen.

Here's one example: http://www.digitpress.com/eastereggs/arcaderobotron.htm

threeio 14 years ago

They were known about back in the day as well.. we all saw them because of fantastic mac shareware mags, macworld, etc.. they just haven't been seen in a while.

mgunes 14 years ago

Previously: "The Joy of Dumping" -- http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=4150668

cpeterso 14 years ago

Where's Steve?

  • mechanical_fish 14 years ago

    In 1986? Buying Pixar and founding NeXT. He had been fired by Apple in 1985.

  • damian2000 14 years ago

    Where's Woz?

    • vidarh 14 years ago

      No idea if he's in any of the pics, but wouldn't be surprising if he isn't. Woz wasn't part of the Mac team, and was pretty much only an Apple employee on paper at the point those photos were taken.

      • thornofmight 14 years ago

        Reading Steve Job's biography right now, and it was really surprising to me how little (almost insignificant) of a role Woz played at Apple after the first couple years there.

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