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Plutonium Powered Pacemaker (From 1974)

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63 points by BafS 7 months ago · 29 comments

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acidburnNSA 7 months ago

For context, the 0.1 rem yearly dose to the patient is about 1/6th of the average background dose we all get every year.

This Pu-238 is the same stuff that's powering the Voyager probes and a few Mars rovers.

Note that it's not Pu-239, which is fissile nuclear fuel for chain reactions (power plants, bombs, etc.)

  • stinkbeetle 7 months ago

    > For context, the 0.1 rem yearly dose to the patient is about 1/6th of the average background dose we all get every year.

    Wouldn't you be more concerned about dose rates in tissues near the device though, rather than whole body dose? At the surface of the pacemaker it would be about 90 rem / year.

    • BurningFrog 7 months ago

      Since it's a device that saves the life of the patient, you can accept a lot of patient risk as a tradeoff.

      • stinkbeetle 7 months ago

        Obviously. That doesn't address my question though, the dose of concern is surely the nearby tissue rather than one calculated over the whole body. If the pacemaker is resting against my lungs, I'm not going to be concerned about foot cancer.

        I'm not implying the risk was miscalculated in the medical approval process, I'm sure it's safe enough. I'm just questioning OP's statement about radiation dose, yes it's strictly true but seems to underplay the importance of the nature of the dose.

    • SoftTalker 7 months ago

      Pu-238 decays mainly by alpha decay which would be easily contained by the titanium casing.

      • cyberax 7 months ago

        It also spontaneously fissions, with daughter products often being gamma/beta active. And it always contains some contaminants

      • stinkbeetle 7 months ago

        Thanks. Presumably we're talking about "Dose rates at the surface of the pacemaker are approximately 5 to 15 mrem per hour from the emitted gamma rays and neutrons" though.

        • SoftTalker 7 months ago

          Yeah ideally I would not want that in or close to my body but if the choice is literally life or death I guess I'll take it.

          How do modern pacemakers work? Can they be recharged inductively or is surgery required to replace batteries periodically?

    • kondro 7 months ago

      REM is already an adjusted measure for absorption, not an general quantity of radiation.

      • stinkbeetle 7 months ago

        This doesn't address my question. OP was talking about the whole-body dose, I'm asking about the surface and nearby dose.

    • jmb99 7 months ago

      If I die without a pacemaker, or maybe have an increased risk of certain cancers with a pacemaker but get to live, I’d choose the pacemaker.

  • _kb 7 months ago

    Or approximately 100 bananas, for scale.

  • ChuckMcM 7 months ago

    Yeah but their spouse :-) 75x larger dose.

jandrewrogers 7 months ago

> Dose rates at the surface of the pacemaker are approximately 5 to 15 mrem per hour from the emitted gamma rays and neutrons.

Where are these gamma rays and neutrons coming from? The decay chain for Pu-238 is via alpha emission (Pu-238 -> U-234 -> Th-230 -> ...) which won't penetrate the casing.

  • acidburnNSA 7 months ago

    Not sure about neutrons. Gammas, or x-rays at least, could come from bremmstrahlung.

  • pfdietz 7 months ago

    Alpha particles will produce secondary radiation occasionally when they hit light nuclei. The oxygen in the Pu oxide is almost entirely O-16 to minimize neutron production.

  • Horffupolde 7 months ago

    Possibly Pu-239 or other impurities.

  • cyberax 7 months ago

    All U and Pu isotopes undergo spontaneous fission, producing neutrons and random daughter products.

  • bobmcnamara 7 months ago

    Some very small portion of Pu-238 will eventually pass through Tl-210 -> Pb-209.

sanarothe 7 months ago

For similar / further reading on historical pacemakers, check out https://www.implantable-device.com/category/implantable-comp... where David Prutchi has amassed what I think is a comprehensive history of pacemakers / neurostimulators ranging from these early atomic designs up through current day devices / companies.

xattt 7 months ago

More interesting to me is how this tech was programmed. There would have been some external unit to set parameters.

anovikov 7 months ago

Pu-238 in this thing would cost $14K in today's prices!

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