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3 points by bgrainger 10 months ago · 9 comments

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WantonQuantum 10 months ago

I like this idea in principle, but I think this approach won't be workable for a lot of people who use open source software.

From the FAQ: "If you find yourself returning to check on issues, or review answers to questions others ask, or download updates to the source code, you are still using the project and need to pay the Maintenance Fee."

If I can't pull updates to the open source code then it's not open source.

  • robmensching 10 months ago

    That's a good point. The intent was to suggest that if a consumer keeps returning to the project, maybe they should be paying for its maintenance. However, the source code needs to remain freely available, so that part probably goes too far. I will fix it.

kazinator 10 months ago

This site is recommending projects to switch to a "free for non-commercial use" model (commercial users being required to pay to use the software), which is not compatible with free software as defined by the Free Software Foundation, and is likely not open source according to OSI.

  • robmensching 10 months ago

    With all due respect, this is incorrect on both accounts. From the FSF directly:

    > Free software” means software that respects users' freedom and community. Roughly, it means that the users have the freedom to run, copy, distribute, study, change and improve the software. Thus, “free software” is a matter of liberty, not price.

    > ...

    > You may have paid money to get copies of a free program, or you may have obtained copies at no charge. But regardless of how you got your copies, you always have the freedom to copy and change the software, even to sell copies.

    - https://www.gnu.org/philosophy/free-sw.en.html

    And the OSI applies to the "Open Source Software", aka the source code. The OSI does not apply to the "Open Source Project", aka the issue tracker, discussion forums, downloadable binaries (although the source code to recreate those binaries often needs to be available), etc.

    In the end, the Software (the source code) must be free. But the time and effort of the maintainers keeping the Project running is not free. So, those consumers that make money are required to pay to keep the Project running. Or, they can choose not pay the Fee, not use the Project, and only use the Software.

    • kazinator 10 months ago

      The site is literally recommending developers to add an EULA to their software licensing.

      The example EULA contains text like:

      > Failure to pay the Fee will result in the termination of this license. Upon termination, User must cease all use of the Software and remove it from all systems.

      That directly contradicts what you're saying: that the software maybe use without payment, and only participation in the project (such as using the bug tracker) requires commercial users to pay a fee.

      FOSS must not have anything resembling an EULA. Give me money or erase the software is just not free open source by any stretch of the imagination.

      Everything recommended by the site is OK to do, and well within an author's right. What's wrong is the misinformation that the result is still open source.

      • robmensching 10 months ago

        Ahh, the bulk of the negative feedback has been about the draft example EULAs. Those are under review by an actual lawyer (as noted in the `IANAL` note near the top of https://opensourcemaintenancefee.org/maintainers/eulas/), and any text that conflicts with any Open Source License (permissive or copy-left) will be fixed. The line "Failure to pay the Fee will result in the termination of this license. Upon termination, User must cease all use of the Software and remove it from all systems." will definitely not survive lawyer review.

        (I definitely wish I just put "TBD" on the site for the EULAs instead of a pre-canned version. I wonder if I should switch it out now or if that would create more confusion).

        Note: your statement that FOSS must not have anything resembling a EULA is incorrect. EULAs are allowed, but they cannot impose restrictions that contradict the open-source license. Requiring payment for distribution fees (including packaging, convenience, and maintenance) is allowed.

        • kazinator 10 months ago

          The thing is, that FOSS cannot have an EULA. Free, open source software is accompanied by licenses which pertain only to the redistribution of the source code, not stipulating any restrictions on the use of the program.

          One notable deviation from this is the GNU Affero license ("AGPL") which requires someone operating the AGPLed service program, if the program is accessible to network visitors and uses modified code, to offer the modified source code to the visitors. This is quite controversial; not everyone (myself included) agrees that the AGPL is a free software license like the GPL.

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