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37 points by drbruced a year ago · 11 comments

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wmf a year ago

One of the best features of the Internet is when the inventor of some thing chimes in to explain the history behind it.

ofrzeta a year ago

Around that time (1996) I worked a lot with ATM. We had Cisco routers and switches and Fore switches that were doing something called "LAN Emulation" (LANE, https://www.cisco.com/c/en/us/tech/asynchronous-transfer-mod...) on ATM (with a 622 Mbit/s backbone, no less).

It was bleeding edge technology and kind of a nightmare because randomly the management plane would lose the mappings from IP to ATM and the "LAN" randomly stopped working (here's a troubleshooting guide, though :-) https://www.cisco.com/en/US/docs/internetworking/troubleshoo...) . We also did some wide-area networking with ATM that worked by manually setting up ATM PVCs with some telco guys throughout Europe.

Back then there was also quite a bit of activity for using ATM with Linux, led by Werner Almesberger (who also developed the LILO bootloader): https://www.almesberger.net/cv/papers/atm_3rd.pdf

  • MisterTea a year ago

    ATM was an interesting networking tech. I like how it was a hybrid of packet and circuit switching where you could dial another machine to setup a call (this is Telephone tech after all) and you were handed a an in-order point-to-point byte pipe. Made TCP unnecessary. Unfortunately Ethernet was eating its lunch in the 90's leaving it to die a slow death in Telephony.

    A similar tech was the old Bell Labs Datakit, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Datakit which was supported in early versions of Plan 9, http://man.postnix.pw/plan_9_2e/3/datakit. The Datakit device and dk conversation services enabled you to dial a machine and you'd get a stream which is basically an fd you just read/write. They could use this to dial a disk server using 9p over dk to boot a terminal using datakit. Since 9p multiplexes access to files and files can provide services you could then import an IP stack running on a remote machine to get IP over 9p over datakit.

    Another thing I find highly ironic is how they duck tape TSN and other QoS stuff on top of Ethernet to make it behave deterministically like ATM, the technology it destroyed.

halfcat a year ago

Usually I’d tell the UDP joke at this point, but you might not get it

tomcam a year ago

The second packet says to the others, “You two are completely out of order!“

ChrisArchitect a year ago

Related, as mentioned:

Traceroute Isn't Real

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42054835

rramadass a year ago

Just so people don't miss it, the following books are available for free from their "Books" section here - https://systemsapproach.org/books-html/ ;

1) Computer Networks: A Systems Approach

2) Software-Defined Networks: A Systems Approach

3) TCP Congestion Control: A Systems Approach

4) Private 5G: A Systems Approach

5) Edge Cloud Operations: A Systems Approach

stuartd a year ago

https://web.archive.org/web/20241211222505/https://systemsap...

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