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32 points by LamaOfRuin a year ago · 30 comments

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caekislove a year ago

Nobody uses just core WordPress. The moat is the plugin ecosystem. Once somebody creates an alternative plugin repository mirroring wp.org, that's when Matt will go "nuclear".

peterbmarks a year ago

It could be misdirection. Maybe I'll wait for the fork Matt doesn't like.

pluc a year ago

The post this leads to just reeks of influencer/devrel marketing-speak. Show something then be cocky about it, not the other way around. And how can Automattic be convincingly 'proud to announce' this fork, when this fork literally doesn't currently exist? There's no plan, no code, no difference, nothing to show for. Just this cringe ass announcement.

ezekg a year ago

I saw a theory yesterday proposing a 'reason' for all this: Matt wants out and is trying to force a community fork by going scorched earth.

After this post, that theory seems kind of plausible? But who knows, really.

edent a year ago

As I said to Matt earlier today on the WordPress Slack "I've never seen anyone spread so much FUD about their own project before. I started out as sympathetic to your cause against WP Engine. But your behaviour has driven me - and many other good people - away. I want to be explicitly clear: I am in no position to judge the merits of your lawsuit, but I am in a position to judge your behaviour. I cannot fathom why you are trying to turn your own community against you. Please - reconsider your approach"

BDFL only works if the D is B. Otherwise FL becomes FML.

pessimizer a year ago

I still have no idea why people think that he's a dick for not giving away his trademark. The code is GPL, the trademark is the only thing of Wordpress that he really owns. He should withdraw permission whenever he feels like it, especially when it's most financially useful to him. If taking away the usage of the mark sabotages an unfriendly competitor, he should do it.

Forking is beautiful, but WPE should do it somewhere else, like this FreeWP person.

I'm pretty sure everyone should be grateful for "WP." Didn't he say that using those two letters was fine? Everybody still gets to trade on Wordpress's goodwill, even if they can't use the full name. And if the company goes belly up, the community gets the full name. I've been struggling to see the other perspective.

The lawsuit claims are hysterical. I hope he doesn't give an inch. I hope it serves as a warning to others. I hope FreeWP is successful, and I don't know why anyone who isn't an employee or owner would care if WPE continues successfully or unsuccessfully. That's between Automattic and WPE. I certainly don't care that they can't advertise themselves as "Wordpress."

paulclark a year ago

Feels a bit tongue in cheek given current events, but good on Matt for sticking to values here.

  • AdamJacobMuller a year ago

    A bit?

    I'm not entirely sure I've read anything on the internet which should be interpreted in exactly the opposite manner as how it's written.

    It's like one of those PR-speak statements about a mass layoff where the CEO (but really a team of PR wonks) waxes poetic about how difficult it is for him to lay off parts of the company, but, this one doesn't even have the benefit of running through the PR-speak machine.

    > good on Matt for sticking to values here

    What other option does he have? Wordpress is GPL, he couldn't legally stop a fork if he wanted. I assume using the power of Automattic he could try to lawfare a fork out of existence but it would be obvious what he was trying to do.

  • elAhmo a year ago

    Matt has demonstrated that one of his core values is vindictiveness, inability to receive feedback and huge ego that has destroyed a decade of goodwill in a few weeks.

  • wmf a year ago

    He knows where the real value lies. (Hint: It's not the code.)

  • oddevan a year ago

    Yes... but it's also furthering the idea of WordPress as his project, not the community-built foundation it's frequently described as.

navigate8310 a year ago

Seems like ego speaking here.

  • oddevan a year ago

    100%. This fits the narrative of "my way or the highway" Matt has been pushing (unintentionally or not).

squircle a year ago

Funny.

GiorgioG a year ago

What a complete shitshow - who on earth would trust starting a new project using Wordpress after this.

MattPalmer1086 a year ago

So, all the comments here talking about lawsuits and FUD and scorched earth and so on. How is that related to the Forking is Beautiful post?

You are all discussing something going on, but it makes no sense to anyone who isn't in the know.

What are you all talking about?

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