Kia recalls over 427K Telluride SUVs because they might roll away while parked
abcnews.go.comMy 2020 Palisade rolled down a hill after I had parked it with my wife and dog still inside. It rolled over my leg and foot, and I had to go to the hospital. My wife had jumped from the passenger seat to the driver's to stomp on the brakes as it slammed into the car behind us. Transmission grinding away as it rolled down the hill.
Could not recommend the experience less.
A Palisade is a Hyundai for anyone else who didn’t know.
Hyundai owns a third of Kia and the two share parts, assemblies, and entire platforms.
the PALISADE AND telluride are essentially the same vehicle as well.
Sounds terrible. Doesn't it have a hand break or did it roll despite the handbreak?
Most new vehicles from all major manufacturers have electrically actuated push button parking brakes rather than handbrakes.
Oh, that sounds terrible. I thought the whole point of handbreak is that it's directly mechanical and works independently of everything else.
Did you figure out if it was a one off defect, or a common design flaw?
I was taught in drivers education (California) to always set my parking brake because popping out of gear while parked was a common issue.
I hope Kia and Hyundai learn from this and get OTA updates working for everything.
> I was taught in drivers education (California) to always set my parking brake because popping out of gear while parked was a common issue.
I was taught this as well, along with curbing my wheels. I have a young family member who was taught exactly the opposite -- setting the parking brake was "harmful" to the car somehow and not to do it.
> I hope Kia and Hyundai learn from this and get OTA updates working for everything.
I hope auto manufactures get away from the "we'll fix it in software" mentality.
> I have a young family member who was taught exactly the opposite -- setting the parking brake was "harmful" to the car somehow and not to do it.
I knew a friend who was also convinced of this somehow. It seems to be a common myth that it’s an “emergency” brake despite the car manual and drivers ed calling it a parking brake and stating it should be used each time, even on an automatic.
> setting the parking brake was "harmful" to the car somehow and not to do it
And this is exactly how people end up with a parking brake that's rusted in place and useless, which they'll discover at the worst possible time. Surreal to hear that's being taught to new drivers as a good practice.
the emergency brake (what a lot of manual drivers call a parking brake) is not usually designed for constant use. esp in older models where the brake was cable-based.
if I lived on the west coast again or somewhere else with a lot of hills, I'd use it all the time along with curbing and leaving it in gear. I grew up on the flat prairie, parking on hills freaks me out
According to documents published by the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration, the intermediate shaft and right front driveshaft of certain 2020-2024 Tellurides may not be fully engaged.
I was interested in reading the actual cause of this failure, but that's an unusually vague description, unless they actually mean driveshafts that weren't fully inserted into the axle/transmission.
Relatedly, I far prefer the old mechanical parking brakes over the electronically-actuated ones which are common now, since you can actually feel them engage. Likewise for the park position of the transmission.
Don't new cars have automatic parking brakes?
I drive a manual, and even if you park it in gear, with some bad luck and a slighly "worn down" engine, it'll roll, so most of the people just pull the hand brake.
if you've parked a manual on a steep enough grade to overcome a worn engine's compression in 1st gear, you're supposed to leave the steering cocked towards the nearest downhill obstacle, preferably against the obstacle before you even exit the vehicle. (usually it's the curb)
When I first moved to CA people would get tickets for failing to do so... but that was when police still bothered doing things. Nowadays I see more cars parked incorrectly than correctly on hills in the bay area.
Hyundai and Kia will automatically engage the parking break if you have auto hold on when you shut the car off.
Why they don’t always auto engage the parking break is beyond me. It automatically disengages when you apply throttle. Most people would literally never notice it being applied.
I've seen a few electric vehicle models with automatic parking brakes but they literally have to use parking brakes to prevent rolling (they typically have fixed reduction gears). It's somewhat unusual on combustion cars to have automatic parking brakes.
Out here in europe, they usually come with the "second cheapest" (and more expensive) options when buying a car (so the base model doesn't have them, but one "level" higher, you get the automatic parking brakes, automatic AC, cruise control, etc.).
They're usually a pain, because if you want to tow a vehicle with them, you either have to turn the vehicle on, to disable them (not always an option if it's an electrical issue) you have to find the manual release (if the car has one), or in some cases, even remove both rear tires and unscrew a part of a brake assembly.... but yeah... not that odd, with an old renault, you had to remove a tire to change the front light.
Nope, parking brakes are usually a separate (and traditionally mechanical) system on automatics. Electronic parking brakes are still rare
Sure, so are on manual cars, but once you go above a "base model" with many cars, you get such goodies like cruise control, automatic AC and automatic parking brakes (which can be a pain to release in case of an electrical failure when towing is needed).
These things are all over my town and surrounding area. I remember two of my neighbors buying them and paying $10k+ dealer markup and I just couldn’t understand why.
Kia’s and Hyundais are made in and around the area I live so you see them everywhere but I could never imagine owning one or paying a $10k+ markup.
I used to work for a Korean company that supplied parts for Kia/Hyundai. That experience combined with my years of managing an import repair shop means that the only brands of automobile that I would feel comfortable purchasing are Toyota/Lexus and Honda/Acura.
> used to work for a Korean company that supplied parts for Kia/Hyundai. That experience combined with my years of managing an import repair shop means that the only brands of automobile that I would feel comfortable purchasing are Toyota/Lexus and Honda/Acura.
To be fair, as someone who’s owned a 2000 ICE and a 2020 EV Hyundai, they have really upped their game.
We bought a Palisade over Ford Explorer.
The trim we bought was nicer than a $5k more Explorer in every single way. Even paying $10k over MSRP puts them in line with the segment.
Reminds one of what happened to Anton Yelchin. Poor guy.
That was a travesty of user interface. Instead of shifting lever to a gear setting, you toggled up and down with a rocker switch.
Gone too soon. Great Chekhov, loved in Terminator Salvation
Are the new electronic emergency brakes susceptible to bugs or are they dead simple so unlikely to fail too?
The article talks about a faulty parking brake and that users should engage emergency brake. These are not the same thing I take it?
the parking brake is what gets engaged when you put a vehicle with an automatic transmission into park.
the emergency brake is separate. usually a handle in the centre console or a small pedal on the left side of the driver side footwell.
I’ve driven newer rental cars where the emergency brake was engaged by a button on the console. They call it brake hold I think. Can this fail from software bug?
Isn't the kia carnival also essentially the same under the hood? Same engine and transmission, I am pretty sure.
Why do people rely on automatic gearboxes to keep cars in place? Trusting the "park" position is like leaving a manual gearbox car in gear: it can do the job, but it's not the right tool for the purpose. The handbrake is there for a reason.
I use both in a manual. Cheap insurance. Handbrake, and in gear in case the handbrake fails.
But I’ve never seen the driver of an automatic set the parking brake. Never. That gear is “park” so they use it when they park.
Only driving manuals, I have to really remind myself not to in somebody else’s car because it is probably going to stick as a result of never being used.
I don’t drive manuals now because my wife hasn’t been able to leadn how, but I am adamantly teaching my daughter to always set the parking brake when parked. What frustrates me is this finicky push button electronic parking brakes, I want a good mechanical handbrake or even a 3rd pedal parking brake.
Aeons ago I paid $50 to a manual shifting driving instructor to teach my wife to drive manual. It saved our relationship and she drove stick better than me as a result. The instructor’s trick was to show how a clutch works then he had his students get the vehicle moving from a stopped position by only feathering the clutch pedal. He wouldn’t let them use the accelerator pedal. Once they learned where the engagement happened in the pedal’s throw the rest was easy.
Thanks, we are probably past the age and epoch of when paying to learn manual would make sense for DW, but would like my kids to learn. That is so true, finding that spectrum of clutch petal engagement was crucial. I remember when I first learned stomping on the clutch, treating it as a binary mode rather than a gradient.
The position is "park" because it parks the gearbox mechanism, not the car. It's clear that many people misuse it, to the point that manufacturers overengineer the gearbox lock so it's able to serve as a parking brake.
I think I witness that VW automatically engage the electronic handbreak as the driver opens the door while the stick is in parking position.
I always use mine, but yeah I run into a lot of other automatic owners who don't.
I'm guessing it starts as a habit, they either weren't taught in driving class or it wasn't enforced, then it became ingrained and they never got curious about what they could be wrong about,or what it means that their car rocks when they step out.
Even with a "car guy" who was working on my rear wheels (fwd) he asked if I had AWD. No buddy, I just remembered to set the brake before you got it up on the jack.
For curious readers, if you always park on level ground, just set the brake anyway as a drill. If it's busted, you'll get a chance to fix it before you need it
I also always turn my headlights on. It uses a little more gas but saves the judgement call of wondering whether it's real dark enough or whether the computer will turn them on for me. Always on.
All aspects of the way other people drive are horrifying but one of the worst things is drivers with automatic transmissions who don't use the parking brake, and their car lurches 6 inches when they are getting out. If you stop the car, set the parking brake, and shift into park the car will not move when you release the brake. It feels so much better and you won't look like a loser.
When I turn off Toyota hybrid it engages parking break automatically. Why wouldn't it?
Is it possible for modern car to be off in neutral?
My Pacifica does this as well. Shifting to park also engages the parking break.
This is not at all true.
Parking brakes in an automatic vehicle actually flip a piece into the gear ring. They’re absolutely rated to hold the vehicle in place without additional brakes.
I know on my Ford truck, the parking gear is rated to hold the truck plus some amount of trailer weight. If you’re above that trailer weight, they recommend engaging the manual brake.
Park position flips a lock into the gear ring to ensure the gearbox doesn't move. This achieves the same effect as leaving a manual gearbox in gear. In a manual gearbox, the engine holds the rest of the gearbox in place, but in a traditional auto gearbox, the whole mechanism can still move when the engine is stopped, that's why the lock piece is needed.
People relying on the gearbox lock to keep the car in place is the weird part - it would be like engaging first or reverse gear on a manual car, and trusting that to keep the car in place. Even if the manufacturer showed that the engine vacuum is enough, people still rely on the right tool for the job - a brake.
> This achieves the same effect as leaving a manual gearbox in gear
This is not true. In a manual car, you’re still relying on the engine. In an automatic vehicle, it’s essentially a latch that drops into place. A well designed one should actually tighten as the vehicle attempts to roll while in park.
It seems these are failing to engage or simply failing entirely.
Not quite the same - automatic transmissions have a pawl that locks the axle in place, it’s not just the engine like in a manual transmission.
The lock is there because traditional auto gearboxes can still move when the engine is stopped, as if it was in neutral position, while a manual gearbox in gear has to overcome the engine cylinder vacuum. The difference is people not trusting the cylinder vacuum to keep the car in place, but at the same time happily relying on the gearbox lock to do the job.
I've used the standard Park for 15 years without ever having any issue
I have a 2022 Telluride which I recently parked on a steep hill, and I did not set the parking brake. Fortunately nothing happened, but now I feel pretty dumb.
I will say it’s the best car I’ve ever owned, and it’s been the top rated 3 row SUV for awhile now. Great features for a great price. Though we did get gouged having to buy in 2022 (old car totaled).
It’s only “features” I don’t like seem to be on all new cars, like the engine turn off at a light always defaulting to on, and a too sensitive crash alert function (if the car in front you is turning, it will often think you’re going to crash when you’re not).
It's a KIA what do you expect. It's wild how people forget how shit they are just because they changed their logo.