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Apple's Vision Pro battery pack is hiding the final boss of Lightning cables

theverge.com

24 points by qzervaas 2 years ago · 17 comments

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layer8 2 years ago

Semi-dupe of https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=39210195.

mgh2 2 years ago

Can someone check its charging speed please, is it quicker than USB-C or lightning?

  • jsheard 2 years ago

    This is just for the umbilical cord between the battery and the headset, the battery charges through a standard USB-C port.

    • mgh2 2 years ago

      Why will Apple hide a connector like that then? Is it a more power efficient design/connector? Is there a patent?

      • CharlesW 2 years ago

        Nobody knows, but my guess: Apple is hiding a test of advanced battery fault detection and monitoring technologies that will eventually show up throughout their battery-powered products. Final Boss Lightning was the simplest, least risky way to support the power delivery and communication needs in the AVP Mark I timeframe.

        https://patents.google.com/patent/US8986866B2/en?oq=8986866

        • wtallis 2 years ago

          Battery fault detection needs to be implemented entirely within the battery pack in order to be worthwhile. USB is more than sufficient for communicating information from a battery pack to a host system.

          There's no need to speculate about complicated technology based on ancient patents when there's a simple and far more plausible explanation available: Obviously what this connector provides that Type C lacks is a secure latching mechanism, which is critical because there's no battery in the headset itself.

          • eternityforest 2 years ago

            Why not just put a tiny battery in the headset, sufficient for a few minutes of use, like an LTO battery that won't just wear out?

            Or add latching to USB-C?

            • wtallis 2 years ago

              Adding latching to USB-C would largely defeat the purpose of using a USB-C connector, because you'd be throwing away most of the compatibility that the USB-C connector could win. At that point, the USB-C connector would be there merely to check a box on the spec sheet, rather than because it's the right connector for this purpose.

              As for a battery or supercap in the headset itself: by all accounts the headset without a battery is pushing the limits of what is a reasonable weight. There needs to be less stuff in the headset, not more.

              • eternityforest 2 years ago

                There's other applications for latching USB-C, not many, because latching is often terrible, but a few.

                Apple is probably big enough to convince the USB-IF to make it an official extension to the spec, if they wanted to.

                But definitely not an expert, not planning on buying anything Apple or any VR anytime soon.

      • calamari4065 2 years ago

        They don't want you to use a replacement battery they didn't sell you

        • wkat4242 2 years ago

          Didn't work out so well with the original lightning. Knock-off cables appeared within a year.

          • calamari4065 2 years ago

            As there was with the old 30 pin, the maglock and everything else. Apple either doesn't care or never learns.

            • catchnear4321 2 years ago

              apple doesn’t care.

              with this connector, no one will be accidentally plugging the headset straight into a usbc power adapter without the battery in the loop. at least not without some third party help.

      • johnwalkr 2 years ago

        If I had to guess, one group came up with (reasonable) requirements for this connector to handle certain currents and voltages, be reliable, be nice-looking, and be proprietary for the purpose of not dealing with RMAs related to people connecting shitty usb-c batteries directly to the headset. And another group realized "hey, we have all kinds of documentation, test results and tooling, we can make a wider lightning cable with low risk and low cost. Sure, we are moving away from lightning but since this is internal to 2 apple products it doesn't matter."

rabbits_2002 2 years ago

Horrible article

calini 2 years ago

CHODEning

ShamelessC 2 years ago

> In an alternate timeline, this might have been USB-C, part of a world where external batteries for the headset are plentiful and don’t need Apple’s special approval (or is that spatial approval? Ha ha, just a little Vision Pro humor there)

Yeesh, maybe don’t try incorporating comedy into your writing anymore.

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