Grammarly editor writing services are malfunctioning
status.grammarly.comFrom time to time I used grammarly to adjust my writing style when sending an important e-mail. I paid a subscription to it.
The day I typed my first question into ChatGPT I cancelled my gmrly subscription. If they'd a public stock I'll be shorting it so hard.
Why? The ChatGPT interface is not integrated with an editor and not really tailored for writing. I'd wager that most of the current Grammarly users would rather pay for a tailored tool than a chat window that excels at schooling you and refusing to do anything that doesn't align with OpenAI's sprawling brand safety rules.
Of course, GPT-4 can be molded into an editing-centric companion, but I bet Grammarly is already working on that, and they might end up paying OpenAI for the technology.
Brand recognition means that it's a lot easier for Grammarly to build that product than for a random third party to break through.
> The ChatGPT interface is not integrated with an editor
But all the editors where Grammarly is integrated are owned by Google/Microsoft/etc., who can natively implement a writing-tailored AI as a feature.
> Grammarly is already working on that, and they might end up paying OpenAI for the technology.
Unless they get a very good deal using the GPT-4 API might end up too expensive for their use case.
I use both products (I'm also an author so YMMV).
Grammarly has the UX down. For authors, gpt doesn't compare.
I found Grammarly to be atrociously bad when dealing with anything slightly technical in nature. It would keep flagging jargon as errors. I was convinced that their $100M+ raise had to be some Adam Neuman-tier grift
I worry that all individuality will be stripped from our communications. Let people have idiosyncrasies.
I enjoyed Grammarly and I'm sure they enjoyed mapping my prose for training purposes.
When I began to consistently compose 1000+ word passages, all while never triggering a red squiggle, I realized I'd gotten everything I needed from the tool and I uninstalled the addins. (I was a fully paid single user, btw.)
Totally agree. You get so much of personality from honest, unedited emails and messages.
Communication isn’t just information. It’s also how relationships are built. I get an email that was run through a dozen rounds of spell check and AI wizardry and I won’t even know who you really are.
I don't know about that, but they definitely seem to have a bottomless supply of money to spend on advertising.
Isn’t grammarly in a relatively good place as it already has an audience, a market fit and a way to expand its products with AI?
I think their biggest issue is that every place where Grammarly is used (e.g. email clients, word processors) is owned by a much larger corporation with a huge investment in AI that can pretty easily launch a Grammarly replacement as a native feature.
True. At the same time this seems unrelated to “The day I typed my first question into ChatGPT”.
Check out editGPT for an improved UI
For thousands of years, human language has evolved and changed into what we have today. Now our AI overlords will keep our language static using a paid service. Imagine the new languages and dialects that could have been. Damn you Grammarly!!!
I think they said that too about standardizing schooling, mass media, mass communications, standardised national languages.
Also, the real tinfoil hat is our AI overlords changing our language into AI-newspeak.
And they were right, too. Language is far more homogenous these days than it's ever been. As for the parent commenter's point, as we encode in software what "correct" language sounds like, it will naturally exert pressure to conform to whatever notion of "correct" that you chose; conformity is literally what things like spellcheck are for. And it's not necessarily a bad thing for languages to be more uniform, especially from the perspective of non-native speakers, but it remains true that it will constrain the future mutation of the language, even if it won't totally halt it.
> Specially from the perspective of non-native speakers.
Mind you, non-native speakers tend to involuntarily stretch and bend the language this way and that. It’s when somebody else in society uses that involuntary bending and stretching to mark and segregate foreigners that tools like Grammarly come handy. And, that’s my grudge with Grammarly: to me, most of its suggestions read as “you are not writing pureblood, your written mongrel will earn you the scorn of your betters.”
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> I think they said that too about standardizing schooling, mass media, mass communications, standardised national languages.
And they were right. All of those things have led to a huge decline in language diversity.
And languages are dying out at a record rate. Anything that isn't at least a national language is struggling, with native speakers slowly dying out.
That's "propersay" citizen.
No broadband in da Belt
Thank you for making my morning with that comment :D
Tightbeam tolowda.
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Memes and emojis are language in a way, and they have spread like wildfire.
what?
I was using Grammarly for a long time, but a while ago I made a wrapper around the OpenAI API to fix grammar and style and highlight the changes.
- Demo: https://refiner.roman.pt/. - Source: https://github.com/imankulov/refiner.
For me it works better than Grammarly.
Cloudflare API is down, so I think it's related to that
Extremely funny to think that there's now a clear line between "Cloudflare server goes down" -> "average grammar correctness in emails dips for a day"
Which is related to the PDX area data center that went hard-down earlier this morning.
This could easily be related as that DC seems to have housed a lot of cloud based service infrastructure.
Which data center is down in PDX?
Flexential PDX02, according to the outages mailing list[0].
[0] https://puck.nether.net/pipermail/outages/2023-November/0149...
Gee, that makes it sound like cloud-hosted products are susceptible to data center outages just like products that rely on colocated and contracted hosting. Impossible!
/s
If half the internet is down, your customers won't complain about you being down as well /s
Has the grammarly AI become sentient?
Humanity has misused Your and You're for the last time!
What about Yor? (Character from Spy X Family)
That hasn't been incorporated into the model yet, because, unlike the others it hasn't been around since the days of yore.
Most comments are about using higher-level AI.
It’s interesting because I have so much trouble getting Grammarly to work (I thought that announcement would justify the problem), but it’s far more prosaic than that:
- the little indicator hides the content that I’m writing and can’t be moved;
- if I dismiss a problem, it will ignore it for a second until I approve another one and immediately flag the first problem again;
- occasionally, it won’t apply the recommended change;
- some changes make the entire browser think I’m trying to reload or close the page… not sure, but the browser is not happy about that.
- It occasionally overrides the editor in fairly catastrophic ways: puts the edited word and the rest of what I’ve written afterward somewhere random in the editing window, duplicating half of my response and overwriting entire paragraphs. It’s pretty destructive and frustrating, breaking Ctrl+Z and the entire editor.
I’m impressed at how smart it is: detects unnecessary words, catches trailing 's's, and knows when to apply Oxford commas… but I’d love not to have to reload HN because editing five paragraphs in a '90s interface and its 40kb of overhead is enough to cause kernel panic.
There isn't a local free software alternative to Grammarly for english ? I means, to verify grammar and spelling, the AI part, I don't expect it to be local yet.
Take a look at language tool. It's pretty good in my experience. I'm not a native speaker, though.
(this post was not checked with languagetool)
There is https://languagetool.org
Been a paying customer for about four years now, just renewed again today. It's been the best thing I've ever spent money on.
It also supports my language and it is pretty good at it.
For a while I just used code spell checker extension in VSCode. It does not do grammar but otherwise seems sufficient for me.
https://vale.sh is as close as I've found.
Nice ! Looks a lot like Alex from wooorm. Will check it out. Thank you !
You bet! I use it with this language server -- https://github.com/errata-ai/vale-ls -- to live-check text in my editor.
ChatGPT.
Neither local nor free?
What are some good Grammarly competitors out there? Not that I don't like it, but curious to see what else is going on.
They've had some trouble with the arena allocator in the latest sbcl.
Wow. I didn't think this was production ready yet...
When will GPT kill cancer that is grammarly already.
Wow. How is grammarly a "cancer"? I mean, if you don't like it, it seems easy enough not to use it...