Zuck says he gave Musk an August 26 fight date but he’s ‘not holding my breath’
theverge.comFighters need adequate time to train, and Zuck has been at it for a couple years now. Trying to rush Elon into a bout without giving him reasonable time to prepare is a weak move. It's clear he isn't as confident as he should be.
I expected this fight to take place by year end. That's more than enough time for Musk to whip himself into shape even at his age.
> Trying to rush Elon into a bout without giving him reasonable time to prepare is a weak move.
It is truly remarkable how people manage to get things so backwards.
Musk was the one who issued the challenge. It was his idea. If Musk isn't ready for it then he shouldn't run around inviting people out for a fight.
Musk is an attention seeking narcissist. The only weak moves here are Musk's lame antics.
Professional fighters issue challenges all the time, then they agree on a later date and take months to do their training camp. Nobody walks around ready for battle at all times, it's remarkable how little you know about fighting but still feel the need to comment.
> Nobody walks around ready for battle at all times
You contradicted yourself within two comments: "Khabib however trains everyday". And you seem to be missing the point that Zuckerberg is ready to go right now. Too bad that Musk is unable to live up to his own bluster.
Musk is a pointless brat. You're wasting your life defending him.
this, particularly the last part. Musk has a body like a worn out couch, the only thing he is fighting is hair loss.
Musk first wanted to fight Putin then he challenged Zuck.
One should think that when you are the one challenging others left and right to fight in the oktagon, you do it while at the peak of your physical form.
But of course everything can happen and you have to respect a champion like Musk. A champion at running his mouth, that is.
If the fight happens and it’s not a farce it will end up like Khabib vs. McGregor
Musk is way too smart to run into this fight without training. It's simply completely insane to expect this fight to happen with 3 weeks.
If someone tells you “I challenge you to a cage fight”, tell me what timeline you think they have in mind. “I challenge you” and then we wait two years or what? Do you realize this makes no damn sense. Also Musk issued the challenge in June. Not today. Despite Zuckerberg not issuing the challenge, he gave Musk over two months to get his shit together and he clearly can’t.
To take the GP comments fight as an example, there was 64 days between when Khabib v McGregor was announced and their actual bout. Both camps knew there would be a fight and so consider negotations started at least one month prior to that. So both trained fighters had at least 90 days to prepare.
Khabib however trains everyday, that is his life and he has done nothing else his whole life. Connor I'm not so sure but at a minimum he had the three months. These guys are elite, the best at their weight class, and they had three months.
People here who have never had so much as an afterschool fight in their life thinking it takes a week to prepare for something.
> > People here who have never had so much as an afterschool fight
That is the perfect description of Musk, the only fighting experience he had was back when bullies used to beat him up in high school.
And in retrospect, the bullies were right
> tell me what timeline you think they have in mind.
The timeline that both contestants are available and content with? It's not like there is deadline. This is just some lighthearted fun. There is literally 0 reason to rush it.
It's jerking around the media and the attention of everyone, and telling Zuckerberg to spend two months in gym with professionals preparing himself, only to then say "oh, I forgot I have a bad back, sorry".
It may be lighthearted fun, for the most part, but it's a microcosm of the Musk condition. The guy is a deeply unserious person, who is always dead serious saying unserious things, and using everyone around him like a play-toy.
The benefit of communication is to share facts and information with one another, so we can be less wrong together, so we can be more coordinated. Musk does the opposite. He aims to mislead, to confuse and to profit from the confusion.
He is an unseriousness person on twitter for sure. If you as a person take anything Musk says on twitter seriously you have greater problems. You shouldn't take anything on twitter seriously in fact.
It's almost like the people who dislike him most are taking him the most serious. It's funny actually.
He paid $44 billion for a platform that's just for jokes, and nothing else, is this what you're saying? You're calling him an idiot, then. I distinctly remember him saying the future of the world and free speech depends on Twitter and what not. Is it just for the jokes? This is what we use free speech about, this is what democracy depends on? Fucking around with jokes?
Why do autocratic regimes shut down Twitter in times of unrest? To reduce number of jokes? Why is say former President Trump being sued for promoting insurrection on Twitter? Don't they know it's just for jokes? The accounts of the war crimes in Ukraine that found outlet on Twitter, the news of weather events, earthquakes, crime, scientific news like the LK-99 superconductor candidate, it's all just jokes? The fact the stock price sharply went up when Musk said "I'm taking Tesla private" on Twitter, just jokes?
The only joke here... is you.
And as a matter of fact, Zuckerberg had explicitly asked Musk (not on Twitter, but "in real life") if he's serious about the fight, and he's said "he's dead serious". The problem with Musk being dead serious is that he tends to be dead serious about great many things, and then not deliver. That's not about Twitter, or about jokes. It's who Musk is. He's not reliable.
I don't think buying twitter is unserious. He said he bought it so he can remove the insane left wing bias twitter has.
Regimes shut down twitter because it's another avenue of communication. Whether the general discourse on twitter is serious or not has nothing to do with that. A rebellion may as well use toy walkie talkies if they would be effective. That doesn't mean toy walkie talkies are a serious product. An unserious product can be used for serious purposes. That doesn't mean you should take that product or service to be, in general, serious.
> The only joke here... is you.
And here we are. A personal attack. You let yourself get so worked up about a dude who you don't know and probably will never interact with. Anyway this conversation is over. Please try to at least keep conversations civil.
I don't know you in person, but I'm reacting based on you going around and saying asinine things, which I've already discussed. And that's what the remark is about. Saying "you'll never interact with him" is especially absurd, as you're in the same boat. And no, I have interacted with him. He ruined a service I liked and used, and no longer do so.
You're taking the internet way too seriously. Twitter is and always has been 4chan lite. If you can't understand it's value, it's probably part of the reason you don't see why someone would want to buy it.
Ah, nihilism. The pointless, dead-end philosophy of choice of the pseudo-intellectual.
And how exactly is recognizing that twitter is a 4chan like cesspool nihilism?
Expecting it to be a cesspool is nihilism. Not having any ambition for it to be more than that is nihilism.
> > Musk is way too smart
Is this your rational stance or you just want it to be true?
Maybe because you are emotionally attached to SpaceX and Tesla?
Is this a serious response? I have no attachment to any company Musk owns. I own/use not a single product they have made. Maybe, just maybe, it's you who is irrational here. Disliking a person you will never interact with because he has done a few things you disagree with.
The guy has a double degree in physics and economics. The guy whose companies single handedly upended the car industry. The guy whose companies build the first viable reuseable rockets. Musk is definitely a weirdo. But denying his intelligence is wildly stupid.
Musk lied about his degree (sources: https://docs.google.com/document/u/0/d/1SZerKotu3YRHtuPyqeCa...)
He's a grifter and a narcissist who was very good at throwing money at the right companies and taking credit as 'founder'. I guess he is 'smart' in some sense, but not the kind he likes to pretend to be.
This is total misinformation. UPenn confirmed themselves he holds physics and economics degrees https://www.plainsite.org/documents/tbdmox/2019-email-from-t...
It's just insane how Musk can spur such misinformation campaigns. It reminds me off the whole Obama birth certificate stuff. People are just not thinking right.
That's, ahh, a Bachelor of Arts Physics degree.
That comes from a broad liberal arts education and attending "Physics for non-physics people" lectures.
He's seen the Foucalt's Pendulum and heavy pendulum swinging at the head demonstrations but never had to get into the weeds with tensor calculations or most of the material B.Sc Physics grads would consider essential.
It's more physics than a History graduate would typically see, but less physics than, say, an Engineering graduate would be required to do.
It's technically a Physics degree, sure, but it's easy to see how many STEM people wouldn't regard that as an actual Physics degree.
I don't see why what you are talking about is relevant. I simply responded to the person saying he was spreading a fake story. Musk never claimed he had a Bachelor of Science in Physics as far as I know.
I don't particularly have a dog in this fight, I'm Australian, have never been either a Mask fan nor naysayer, I was simply curious when I saw the degree details posted.
It's quite an okay degree combo for a manager to have, Econ, Business, + exposure to some STEM.
And that's it, degree wise (sans any independant skill) it doesn't show any particularly ability in physics and|or engineering and were he to (say) apply to spaceX or elsewhere as an Engineer | STEM graduate for an Engineer | STEM role, on the basis of that bit of paper he'd be either binned or passed to "potential mid manager" pile.
I've been a part time STEM teaching assistent on and off for decades (six months, one or two courses, every third year) as a way of keeping in touch with old uni friends, a STEM consultant group, and upcoming talent looking for work .. liberal arts students doing 101 bridging corses vary widely in ability and mostly pass regardless (if they attend, hand in easy papers, and don't fluff rote exams) .. that's their skill level, STEM aware.
Some have actual STEM talent, many trade on the pretence of STEM talent.
TLDR; the relevance is that degree is no real evidence of any particular STEM skill.
Very probably (and I do mean this) Mr. Bean is|was a better Engineer than Musk (although admittedly he dropped out of his doctoral work for a more lucrative career)
None of this is relevant to the topic at hand. You’re like a North Korean news broadcaster reminding us all of Dear Leader’s infinite glory.
You challenge someone to a fight, then talk over two months how it’s happening, it’s definitely happening, in August, it’ll happen, definitely happening, and then back out… because you were not given enough time?! Your economics degree and car company doesn’t change anything of that.
Musk is smart and a narcissist. He’s done more than a few things I disagree with and he’s done things that I think qualify for him to be called an asshole.
Musk is and will forever be woefully underprepared to fight against someone with Mark’s training and level of fitness. His challenge to fight was childish and idiotic. Even smart people do idiotic things from time to time.
Reagan, Bush and Trump were even more successful as they were at the helm of a 400M people country with a 20T GDP
Tesla is what? A 80,000 people company with 90bn in revenue? Peanuts compared to the United States of America.
Point is you cannot hide behind your title, sooner or later you have to sit in a room with other people and you have to speak, and if you say idiotic things people are gonna notice and call you out and you'll get exposed.
That's exactly what happened in the last 3 years with Musk.
There's a reason why the saying 'The emperor has no clothes' is so popular, it's because something like this happened thosands of times throughout history. Guy gets incredible and once in a lifetime tailwind, gets a title and sits on it.
People from all over the place come to meet the man with the unique title anticipating a world-shattering intellect/charisma or what have you and in the end they realize it was just a guy who had incredible tailwinds after all
> Reagan, Bush and Trump were even more successful as they were at the helm of a 400M people country with a 20T GDP
Are you joking here? None of them are even remotely as successful as Musk. A president is not the founder of a country. It's incomparable.
> Tesla is what? A 80,000 people company with 90bn in revenue? Peanuts compared to the United States of America.
You forget SpaceX, Neuralink, Boring company, Twitter, Paypal, OpenAI.
> Point is you cannot hide behind your title, sooner or later you have to get in a room with other people and you have to speak, and if you say idiotic things people are gonna notice and call you out and you'll get exposed.
> That's exactly what happened in the last 3 years with Musk
How is he exposed? Some internet haters are talking smack? Musk is swimming in money while his companies are racking up successes. If anything this makes the haters look even more irrational.
What do you think it takes to create numerous highly successful companies? You don't need to talk to people to do that?
> > Musk is swimming in money while his companies are racking up successes
And by running his wide mouth he has proven the to the world that all of that is in spite of him, not because of him.
It's the equivalent of pop-stars trying to write their own songs or improvising on stage. They are nothing without the structure that propelled them forward, similarly Musk is nothing without luck, had he kept his mouth shut he'd have at least managed to fool those who are not familiar with the concept of survivorship bias, and apparently you seem to be one of them.
To be clear I believe all the above applies to every billionaire not just Musk.
He does have Jiu-jitsu training
When seeing this on the news, I thought it was some sort of practical joke, but I've been seeing this story pop up everywhere.
Can't wait to see the match, though
Don’t hold your breath.
The 23rd is when South Korea will be texting 51 million people to get into the bunker nearest them as a test. A couple other countries will be doing other nuclear preparedness drills on that day. Maybe Elon and Mark are counting on that going sideways and derailing their plans. "Sorry folks called off fight due to the end of the cease fire"
Mark doesn't need to call anything off. He's participating in actual tournaments and winning against professionals. Meanwhile Musk is just a scammer who said something and is currently walking it back. He just tweeted he may need a back surgery BEFORE the fight. Nice he's leaving this literally for the last days before the fight. Very convincing.
Musk does have a long history of backing out of things. If Musk wanted to back out of a 42B deal, which he got sued for, he shouldn't have initiated the deal in the first place. Same goes for the cage match. He shouldn't have bluffed on someone that has more training than him. I assume the back surgery is an excuse to push the date back, or have it canceled.
Musk truly is the sqwawk of the town.
This doesn't make sense. Why would Musk want to humiliate himself by doing it? Because I can't see it turn out any other way
because the (con)man is incapable of being wrong about anything, or ever admitting he's out of his element, and has his army of online weirdos who will defend every dumb thing that spews forth from him without question.
"I won this cage fight by a lot"
Are they ok?
Easier than going to therapy